Spoonman I will totally agree with you on the best buy salesman stereotype (So no offense taken). I was a rare breed there that not only knew the ins and outs of everything they carried, but also the ins and outs of practically every other major brand.

Not trying to gloryify myself because the knowledge I have seems standard on forums like this one.

Yes this is a very respecting forum when it comes to opinions. The reason I really don't post anywhere else is because the second you say something that doesn't pertain to B & W, Krell, Wilson, Mark Lev, etc. your flamed.

As fas as the pioneers are concerned the only reason they stopped carrying them is that pioneer coundn't keep up with the demand of 500+ stores. They were always on backorder.

The biggest difference between pioneer and the elites (IMO) is the cabinet and some features (notice I said biggest not only).

[This message has been edited by Turkish (edited June 05, 2003).]