the thing is Gonk, I can get everything to 75 db and the levels in speaker calibration are lf +1,rf +3, Ccenter+6, SR+6, sl+7 SBL+7,SBR+6 and sub -0 I'll try it with volume at zero, but with the way it is now playing music at -20 gets me 89 db's of sound, thanks will try zero and get back to you