I saw an ad for a used (3-4 months old) 1050 on audiogon recently that sold for $399 plus shipping. That's the only one I've ever seen for sale used. You might also find the Denon or Onkyo you're looking for on audiogon, but there usually aren't many home theater receivers on there. In a quick check of eBay, there doesn't appear to have ever been an Outlaw product sold there. As you suggest, there may be a few 1050's going up for sale once the 950's ship (I've got a co-worker who may buy mine if I upgrade to a 950).