soundhound, thanks for that. i was just finishing a long winded discourse and funny thing, i mentioned in the reply that, yes, it was the triumph that waas infamous for the dripping engine casing. harley's, in the sixties, were bought by AMF...and very fastly went downhill...falling apart, not cranking, etc. in the 80's the company worker bees bought the company and re-designed everything. they became one of the most successful turnaround companies in the history of america. programs on PBS, manager seminars on how to turn a co. around, etc. focused on H-D as the prime example of what should be done to get ones company back together. unfortunately, just like a lotta hi-fi companies that also 'went cheap', their bad image stuck with them even tho' they also had turned the corner. i used to sell hi-fi in the 80's. marantz was marginal, sherwood was a joke, pioneer and sansuii...oh my god, the race then was on power...untried power chips that blew and hummed, fancy features and mega lites (kenwood) that did mostly nothing. most of these companies have turned round...but unless one keeps up with the market, one retains the 'bad product' image.
oh, and thanks about the mp3 info. see, i havent really checked very far on that one have i? i agree about hanging speakers out on the bars...really ugly. haven't got a fairing on my latest, yet, and came up with an idea that was already out there. still, i think that a company with the name outlaw...belongs on a product that was once known as an outlaw.

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t higg