if you cannot seriously look at the differences between a receiver and a pre/pro and make decisions on to what is more important to you, then you shouldnt be buying anything at all. i, for one, read avs sometimes, but i dont really care for its setup. plus WAY too many idiots. coincidentally enough i just got the denon avr-3805 and use it as a pre/pro for my main theatre and use its multiroom outs for others. i have talked about this before... technology is what is driving audio right now, so to jump on board with a product that is already one or two steps behind is disappointing and unfulfilling, especially when it turns into one or two steps into the grave and you want to upgrade again. i dont proport that a pre/pro or a receiver is better than the other just in general terms. each one should be evaluated on its own qualities and attributes. to say that one is always better than the other is absurd, and just foolish. everyone shouldnt run out and get a receiver (to use as pre/pro), nor should they a pre/pro just to say that that is what they have. look around, see what is available and pick what best fits your needs. i personally really like the idea of having my processing seperated from my power completely, but i couldnt find any pre/pro that i felt had qualities that outweighed the 3805s. not in its price range at least. some people get stuck on the logic that it has been this way forever and it is going to remain this way forever, but times they are a changing and so you should always be willing to reconsider your perspective. i think a lot of audio people get stuck on what THEY like and expect others to like the same thing, i probably dont drive the same kind of car as you, have the same kind of clothes, listen to the same music, walk the same way, or smell the same as you, so to think i want what you want in audio is presumptous. i value opinions of everyone, but i take it all with a grain of salt because if im not happy with something for myself, just because you are means nothing. you all need to be open minded enough to respect people for challenging the way people perceive audio, i mean this is OUTLAW AUDIO which in and of itself is form breaking. it is good that people are touting receivers, because it will wake up all the processor makers and force them to reevaluate their strategy. which will equal a better solution for consumers. it is arrogant to think that your product will dominate forever, and ignorant to try and let it. processors need to be on a shorter cycle life OR completely upgradeable (i prefer the latter, but that will never happen). i have more to say on this topic, but ill wait to get some responses first. :-)