Originally Posted By: anjora
after some reading i decided that i will go for something better than audyssey xt32 pro. outlaw 978 isn't a alternative then. unless trinnov will be good/fully implemented in 998 that won't be a alternative either. the quality of the room correction is more important than everything else together in a prepro. i am willing to spend up to about $5000 for a prepro that's really fits me, i will just have to find/wait for it.
-at least 20 mic measurements should be possible.
-so much as possible should be tweakable
-a high quality calibrated mic should be included from start. anthem is a precursor here.
-i want correction down to about 10hz, not having to have additional correction for the sub in this area would be nice.
-there is other standards than hdmi. the effective bitrate of hdmi 1.4a is only 8.16 Gbps, dp 1.2 offers 17.26Gbps which is enough for 3840*2160p60 with 30 bit total colour depth. almost all prepros and receivers seams to have issues with hdmi, audio dropouts, etc.
-good dacs is of course a must, but good adc is also valuable, especially if it's gonna have included phono stage. since cd:s is a victim of loundness war vinyl often is the only alternetive.


Anjora,

Audyssey MultEQ XT32 isn't good enough for you but it's good enough for Stereophile magazine to award it the "Product of the Year 2011" in the "Accessories" category. I don't know if you realize how MultEQ was developed. In 1996 Chris Kyriakakis Ph.D and Tom Holman (inventor of THX) founded the Immersive Audio Lab at the University of Southern California. It became the technological incubator where MultEQ was developed after several years of R&D by Ph.D students such as Dr. Sunil Bharitkar, a DSP specialist and lead researcher behind MultEQ, over five million dollars of funding through an endowment from the National Science Foundation and more than 100 technical papers published.

How do you establish that at least 20 microphone measurements are required? Most digital room correction systems on the market are single measurement or single listening position based (e.g. Tact Audio, DEQX, Anthem ARC, etc.). Audysssey's MultEQ, Lyngdorf's RoomPerfect and Trinnov are some of the few solutions that support multi-position measurements. Audysssey's MultEQ XT/XT32 support 8 positions or up to 32 when using the optional MultEQ Pro feature/kit, while Lyngdorf's RoomPerfect also supports 8 and Trinnov only 3.

Tweak-ability can be fun but under the wrong hands, it can lead inexperienced users totally on the wrong path and sometimes even more seasoned users.

High quality mikes are great but can be exceedingly expensive. Over the years, I have seen many Tact Audio users spend up to $500 on good quality measurement mikes like the Earthworks mikes for instance and I won't even get into Brüel & Kjær mike pricing. You can't buy the world for a song you know.

You want digital room correction down to 10 Hz resolution only? Tact Audio has been offering 2 Hz resolution for over 10 years already. Audyssey with MultEQ XT32 now offers over 10K filter points. What does that tell you? Considering that the audio bandwidth is like 20 KHz, a little simple math reveals that they also now have about 2 Hz resolution (20KHz / 10K filter points = 2 Hz). Actually Audyssey's probably lower than that in the low end as they report concentrating more filter points in the lower frequencies where they're most needed.

I'm by no means implying that Audyssey's MultEQ XT32 and Trinnov are perfect, nothing in the world is, but they're more adequate than you seem to be giving them credit. But unfortunately since MultEQ XT32 or Trinnov aren't good enough for you, I guess you'll have to continue your search for that holy grail somewhere else, I don't know where though.

Yes there are other interfaces than HDMI like HDBaseT and DisplayPort. Yet no consumer electronics' manufacturers on the market have implemented them on any product. The HDBaseT standard and alliance was formed in mid-2009 by LG, Samsung, Sony and Valens Semiconductor (the original developer) to promote and commercialize this arguably better interface than HDMI. Yet despite some product announcements from Samsung and others more than 2 years ago, those interfaces have not show up on those promised HDTVs or other electronic products. In the CE industry, unlike the computer industry, once a standard is established, it takes a long time for it to be replaced. This usually happens when the existing standard no longer can fulfill a new need. HDMI has already gone through 6 iterations and I wouldn't be surprised if we get to see an HDMI 1.5 that more adequately supports 4K. The irony is that HDMI comes with licensing fees whereas DisplayPort doesn't. This may be unfortunate but that's the way the CE industry works.

On the subject of good DACs, you can can choose the best DAC chip on the market and still manage to mess up the implementation. The design of the analog output stages following the DAC are of the utmost importance. I was reminded of this two years ago by the design engineer from Simaudio, the makers of the high-end Moon electronics line. At the time, they had just come out with their first CD player to use the top of the line ESS Sabre Reference DAC.

Not all CDs are a victim of the loudness war; it's much more prevalent on pop music. You can also record and master vinyl with too much compression you know.

Like others here have said, what you're looking for doesn't exist yet and you'll be waiting a little longer than the 978's release to get what you expect and at the the price point you want, like probably at least 5 years more. In the interim, it may not be a bad idea to pick-up a very affordable 978.


Edited by jam (05/14/12 11:47 PM)