I find it mind boggling that people think the value/price equation in a pre-pro excludes media streaming capabilities and wi-fi but includes support for formats that are effectively dead to all but a relatively few (e.g. SACD and vinyl) and for which they probably already have multiple separate components or even separate systems for. I guess the differences are what makes the world go round, but I am not sure.

Personally, I think that the Oppo BDP-83se has a lot of the guts that would make a great pre-pro especially if combined with the Trinnov system for the audio/room configuration. Drop the Blu-ray player, add in all of the extra connections, embedded Linux system with plenty of added memory and wire/less support and IMO you would have a product that noone else could touch. I think Outlaw could even do it for price-point they are shooting for.