As for the pricing question, I don't know if we have enough information on this to know if it's an issue of Outlaw picking a high price or Onkyo dictating terms. After all, both the VuduXL and the Velodyne SMS-1 are sold at prices set by the manufacturer, with discounts tied to bundles. Accessories4Less is selling refurbs. MarkerTek is selling new units at exactly the same price Outlaw is. Coincidence?