Yeah, so? Are you saying that audiophiles can't be ripped off by Outlaw products or are you saying that Outlaw products are fraudulent too?

Yes.

Yes.

No. But two out of three ain't bad.

If you were able to take your head out of your arse while you were saying that, you might have a little more credibility junior. In audio, opinion is the only proof one requires. That's not just my opinion, that's a proven fact.

You could tell me a lot of things like that, but you'd be lying. As you've already done with me in your last message. I can tell you you never tried any Belt products. If you had, you wouldn't still be here flapping your gums about subjects you know nothing about.

Don't be silly. You obviously need to be schooled, you haven't the foggiest idea of what audio is about. And the problem is, I've already explained it like you're a 6-year old, and you're still not getting it. Are you being obtuse on purpose, or this is your natural state? Tell me junior, do you know of ANY audio product in existence that purports to improve fidelity, where everyone agrees that its valid, because it's "proven"? And no, don't say "speakers", that won't work either. Go on.... show us all how clever you aren't...

You can't prove a negative either, jr. That's why DBTs that fail to provide conclusive evidence of the merits of a DUT are not "proof" it has no effect. It only proves that listeners during that test were not able to discern any. Now let me dumb it down further for your consumption: it means that if you and a classroom of Jason J's all underwent an ABX test and found no audible differences to be had after testing, say a red x pen, that might simply be proof that your listening abilities are subpar. Maybe you need to be smacked upside the head with a pair of Cerwin Vega's to tell them from ProAcs. If you don't have any confidence in your own listening abilities, and its obvious you don't since you still haven't tried any of the freely available products or techniques for yourself and would much rather shoot your cakehole off about how they can't work in theory until you turn blue in the face, why should anyone else?


Oh grand Wizard of all things Belt. DO enlighten us on your obviously profound knowledge of alternative audio. If you want to get philosophical with me, dont you think you should have at least graduated from primary school? Okay listen carefully, it's really not that difficult a concept to grasp: Beltist products and techniques improve perception of sound. Without perception of sound, "audio" doesn't work. Now let me repeat that last sentence again, so you can take it in slowly and have a chance of understanding this basic fact: without perception of sound, "audio" doesn't work. Starting to get the picture Jr.? That's how Beltist techniques are related to audio.

Now here's the problem I have with YOUR sheep-like objectivist "belief system". You're stance here, is that every single audio product you buy that purports to improve sound, has to have been "proven" to do so by an ABX test. I'm sure no standard less than that is stringent enough for Jason Jr. (otherwise, you'd look like a stupid hypocrite, Jr.).

That includes your Outlaw products, it includes fancy-ass audiophile caps, it includes every possible cable and wire out there, it includes every component and accessory in your system. So okay Lambchops, show me the ABX tests that prove they improve sound. And no, pointing me to "general" ABX tests that show differences or no differences for a particular category of product won't cut the mustard. It doesn't prove the particular products you invested good money in do provide audible differences. Or if you wish to declare publically that you're a flat-earth objectivist drone who cares nothing about good sound, and did not base any of your audio purchases on that aspect, please do so now. And I will bury you on Boot Hill before noontime.


Oh, so "Mr. Proof" is now telling us that if recording engineers don't use Belt product, that's proof they don't work??? Geez, what a genius! Why are you wasting your intellectual talents on a web forum, man? Shouldn't you be out proving super string theory or something? At least silly string theory, perhaps? I've never seen MIT shotguns or for that matter, Quad ESL-63's in a recording studio. Does that mean they don't work too?

What makes you think recording engineers are the smartest people on the planet? Rocket scientists, psychologists, doctors and lawyers use Belt products. I would think that's more impressive than recording engineers, but ymmv. I don't think you're ready for the sad truth of why recording engineers don't use Belt products. But its directly related to your hollow groundless arguments and the accusations of fraud against these products by the mindless trolls here.

The answer being, Mr. Proof, that there are way too many mindless ignorant twits in the world. Aka "rigid thinkers" like you and the R. Mackey troll and almost all of the other members in this thread, who are too threatened to even consider changing their comfortable, safe and secure world views. So threatened, that even when you make it so easy to learn new things about audio and the world we live in, that they have only to visit a website, obtain materials within seconds that will take 2 minutes to prove or disprove to themselves, they wouldn't do that.

Mindless sheep do only what other mindless sheep do. I can state as fact that its only on a rare occasion that one of you willfully ignorant sheep will find enough courage and independent will within themselves to break from the flock, ignoring the chorus of "snake oil!" criers, and try the Belt products or techniques for themselves. And then they will usually come to learn why recording engineers, or most engineers for that matter, refuse to consider their validity. At least, publically....


Who says they wouldn't? One of those websites I listed shows a very small example of how it can affect digital recordings from the treatment of a cd burner, to where the results can still be heard by someone who has no Belt products in their home.


I invented the ABX comparator. I'm trying to keep a low profile because.... I don't want to be associated with it any longer.

Pfffft!!!! That's not necesary, Jr. You're plenty funny enough as it is, without having to get "stupid-silly".


So you're an earring model? How does that make you an expert on "good sound" in reproduced music? You talk a lot about "proof" Mr. Proof, but you offer NONE. What experience do your ears have with controlled listening tests? Tell me in detail about the ABX tests that you've done, (what equipment, controls, criteria, etc you used), and the results you personally obtained. Maybe you'll sound a little more credible here trying to defend your religion of the so-called "objective test".


Great! That makes two of us. Except trust me when I say, I'm getting far more laughs, because there are far more simpletons like you on this board than there are of me.... And like squealing children, you all say the silliest, thoughtless and most hypocritical things to me...

Well first of all, no one ever asked me. I've posted all those things on other forums before. Second of all, I've never seen you post those things since I've been here. Third of all,
[b]how in the holy wide world of sports does THAT have even a neutron of relevance to what I say about audio?[b] "Proof by authority"! What a joke! Seriously people, is Jason Jr. the best you guys could come up with to face me down? Well listen Jr. Listen -carefully-: My "audio system", my "occupation", and my "real name", does not make me an "audio expert". Having 30 years of testing experience and having -learned- from that experience ("learning" is key) about what is and isn't "good sound" in the reproduction of music, makes me an expert.

But since when in Cripees have I ever demanded that people believe what I say because I'm an expert?? That what sheep do, 'tard. And I'm here to fight ignorance and mindlessness, not foster it, wacko. When I contribute to an audio group, either I leave the sheep alone or I kick the sheep in their testes. I do NOT try to produce more sheep by creating a Cult of Personality or demanding that people pray to Gods of Authority! That's what sheep like you do, because you'd be lost without someone telling you what to think, and what to believe. That's the reason so many, like you, are so deluded and ignorant about audio in the first place. So what have -you- proven other than that you can blow hot air out your arse about the religion of controlled listening tests, which you seem to have never even participated in?


And you think displaying the cognitive skills of a clinical retard in your responses gives credit to yours? I find it funny, this mindless sheep-like audio religion of yours, where you pretend to stand for the "scientific method", despite not knowing a damn thing about science. Meanwhile, you hold authority figure "Gods" as the holders of all audio truth and knowledge. "Gods" who have more experience" and "audio wisdom" than the common audiophile. "Gods" who run controlled double blind listening tests, and can tell you exactly whether an audio product is or isn't going to produce a difference in perceptible sound. Without you even having to think for yourself, fancy that.

Interesting though, that you would publicly discredit your fellow Outlaw members here, stating that all members from Sluggo, to Bang4ABuck to Gonk to Loopy to Laventura and so on and so on, have nothing but bullsh*t to contribute here. On this point, we may finally be in agreement, Jr. Happy holidays.