And I seem to recall refuting your assertion that:

Gonko says:

And guess what? You never answered that. In fact, in the fifty-five or so times that I pointed out how you all insulted, mocked, ridiculed, defamed, and made accusations of fraud towards two members here who advocated alternative audio products (all without evidence to support your attacks or even provocation), not you or anyone here addressed my assertions. Do you think its a tidy little secret no one knows about, and that you trailer park boys think you can hide by ignoring? Yet you all continued to try to convince me you were not arrogant chest-beating pricks but "polite" and "civil" and capable of "intelligent debate". Including "Sluggo", who instead of engaging me in debate over the issues, has now resorted to biting my ankles every time I pass by.

The facts speak for themselves. There was not a single post made by HifiSound Guy or GoodSound (that I saw), in which they attacked any of you. They were just talking about audio products they believed in. I'm waiting for someone to first, own up to your unprovoked attacks on these guys, and next, tell me why most everyone on Outlaw thought they deserved to be the brunt of all your hostilities and ridicule?

Not quite true, and you know it, since you've been in this thread from the beginning. HifiSoundGuy gave you people a brief explanation of how the CLC works. Did that spark anything resembling an intelligent debate from you or anyone else? Nope. It gave rise to exponentially greater ridicule and derision. Your precious "Sluggo" then made cracks about Scientology. Here's what you wrote, since it seems you need your memory jostled:

Gonk says:

Wow. Brilliant, Gonk. Not knowing anything about the subject at hand, you dismissed the explanation sweepingly, adding "quotes" to the word "scientific", to imply you are stating for fact it isn't. So in other words, if something sounds "silly" to you because you're too ignorant to know anything about it, then it's not even worth your precious time to debate. Then you go back to your trailer home to guzzle more beer. Great face-saving gesture. Intelligent, it isn't. Despite offering no indication whatsoever that you have any clue as to the subjects at hand, you obviously think you're smarter than Wilhelm Reich, who studied under Freud, and based his life's research on orgone energy. He even died defending it. So believe that I am sincere when I tell you that I, and I'm sure the Orgone Institute and thousands of Orgone therapists around the world, would like to hear about the research you've done that proves Wilhelm Reich was imagining all of it.

Here's some more brilliant observations by you, aka Captain Obvious:

Gonk says:

So here we see you, the most "reasonable" Outlaw member, the most "helpful" and "polite", and the one most likely to survive an "intelligent debate" (or even have the balls to enter one), making sweeping dismissals of Belt's entire line of products. Not only that, but you even have the cheek to libel Peter Belt, calling him a rip off artist, and his explanations bogus. Did you provide any evidence to support your accusations? Not a f**#$ing shred. Not a crumb. Not a grain. Not a speck, and not a quantum particle of evidence. Instead, you provide "vigorous assertion". No more, no less. Which by the way, is exactly the same amount of evidence I have seen given by every -other- ignorant loudmouthed SOB who presented opinions as facts on these products, in every single place on the net. So please bear this in mind when you see my impression of you people:

"Ho hey, folks! Isn't it obvious Belt is a fraudulent rip off artist! I mean COME ON! Clocks with batteries that affect sound? He's obviously NUTS! Who does he think we are? Ignorant loud-mouthed SOB's that don't know sh*t from shinola?! And what's with all this complicated technical scientific mumbo jumbo claptrap that we don't understand, that he presents as "theories" for his products? Does he think we're STUPID, that we're going to believe in things with such complicated explanations?! He's obviously just making them complicated so that we can't understand them, so that they sound plausibull to us! (BTW, Sluggo, what does "plausibull" mean again? Am I using it right? You got up to 6th grade, didn't you?). How could there be people in the world who are STUPID enough to fall for this rip off artists rip off crap! We gotta save them from themselves, Sluggo! Or at least make fun of them, yah!"

You can't see this part, but in my impression of you and everyone like you, I'm wearing blackface. Trust me, it's really hilarious if you get the joke. Now then, who here still thinks I'm "marketing products"? C'mon, step to the front of the line, that's it, don't be shy... Okay, here's how this works. We push you off the cliff first, and then we see if you bounce, like in the comic books.... There's a good lad! Off ya go...


Tell me about it. It's clear that debating anything with the likes of you and your hombres isn't going to get anybody very far (which is not the goal, as far as I'm concerned). You've shown that in the above quote of yours that I reposted, where you simply make sweeping dismissals of that which you can't refute with verifiable evidence. Show me one sign of anyone here who's actually interested in actually -learning- something? And not just being intellectually dishonest by pretending to be interested in debates, but only for purposes of ridicule. This prevalent attitude explains why Kaitt is not eager to publish a hypotheses on the CLC. However, Belt's explanations are all over his site. But clever you, you managed to dismiss all that with a sweep of your hand, didn't you.

Attitudes like yours are why PWB and MD provide money back guarantees. So people don't have to worry about how it works in theory, and they can hear for themselves whether it works for them or not. Most audio companies do not offer you people such assurances.


That's right. Except, I'm not asking people to debate testimonials, so I don't know why you're goin' on about that. And speaking of putting testimonials on the net, as you know I posted my website here where I put up mp3's to allow you to listen for yourself to hear the Belt effect. And of course, I suppose that could be argued to be a fictitious testimonial, since you can't verify the source of the MP3's ( assuming you did hear differences). You just have to take my word that the modifications I made to effect audible changes, are exactly as described on my site. BTW, you who's so interested in this sh&t, did you even bother to listen to those mp3's?

Anyway, I also posted the address here of my other website that allows people to test the theories for themselves, by downloading a technique they can apply to their own systems. Because I know how many people like you and yours are out there, maintaing this insanely stupid and naive notion that there are companies like PWB, who've somehow managed to stay in business for 40 years, selling products that don't work. Most of the people who are customers of the company, were given free samples from magazines or the company, and it is through that that they were able to determine Belt's products do work. In strange, but tangible ways. That, PWB and myself have found, is the only way to convince anyone of -anything-. And the moment those open-minded experimenters realized that, they became in an instant, eons more knowledgable than you about audio. Fancy that. You with your 4 decades of professional involvement who thinks he knows it all, that he can decide now with a sweep of his hand what is and isn't valid in audio and science....


Fine. Then listen to my MP3's, and if you or yours hears a difference between two like mp3's, tell me what you think I did to fake the difference (assuming you are obviously not going to believe the modifications I claim to have done). I'm sure I would find it amusing to hear your paranoid conspiracy theories... (There've been so many written about me, I'm kind of a collector of them now...).