Will- Yes. So that's good. Probably the same circuits/algorythms anyway.

J- What I mean by, "when I invert the input to the sub the effect is the same," is this:

OK, I use the "positive" sub input. I use the coax digital input on the 950 from my DVD player. Now, I adjust the phase knob on the sub so I'm getting the max output from the sub/mains at the crossover freq.

Now I switch to the 5.1 analog input on the 950 from my DVD player, still on the "positive" sub input. Now, I have to rotate the phase knob about 180 deg to get the max output from the sub/mains. My sub is in the corner, and I'm looking at the SPL meter on a tripod at the listening position.


OK, now I switch from positive to negative for the sub input. *Everything* reverses. Where the 5.1 input was at a max, now it's the coax digital input at a max, but now I have to adjust the phase knob ~180 deg to get to the max for the 5.1 input. => But because I switched from pos to neg on the sub, all of the max values are a little less than for pos. So the positive input is the best.

Short term solution is to just adjust the phase knob specifially for SACDs and DVD-As played through the 5.1 analog input on the 950, but obviously that's a pain.

Outlaw should either compensate for the diiference in phase between those inputs, or have an easy-to-adjust software setting for sub phase. The Sony TA-E9000ES has this in the config menu. Anthem's AVM 20 V2 of the software adds this.

I also thought this might be a time alignment issue. But in the Outlaw config, my mains are the farthest away, so they are not delayed at all. (The signals from the closer speakers are delayed to arrive the same time at the listening as the farthest speakers.)

And I only have a 1 ft difference in my DVD player's config between the mains and sub. That's not enough to cause the problem. Besides, like I said, the coax digital input pretty much matches the coax analog input, which *would* have any delay present from my DVD player. So the cause is the 80 Hz analog crossover in the 950.