No offense taken, and your point is valid. I do however, get the feeling that the topic of the thread has sort of become moot since Outlaw told me that it was UPS air or nothing, and I get the impression that that is not about to change in the near future. I can offer one word of advice which is on-topic to this thread, namely, UPS does allow you to use your own broker, and it may prove to be signifigantly cheaper that way (as it was for me).

BroonsBane, looks like they've turned on the lights at the bar..lol...e-mail me at johnster@canada.com and we'll continue this discussion ok?

Cheers
Bytor