Hello all, man I left for a couple of days and this thread has really got going, I had not considered DVD-A or SACD which pretty much rules out the Krell and the Lexicon so my search goes on, after a little more research I have come up with a few more options, B&K Ref 30, Rotel 1066 and the outlaw which all have 5.1 inputs, I have not heard any DVD Audio or SACD myself but I would hate to be left out if these become more popular, for what it's worth the B&K Ref 30 has a notch filter thats supposed to help match bass to your room, don't know if this is something to consider or not, and one problem I see with the Outlaw is the remote, it does not have seperate transport and menu controls for DVD players which does not effect the sound but........, anyway thank you all for your input this has already stopped me from one mistake.