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#99296 - 07/26/22 09:44 AM Re: 976 [Re: govguru]
Helson Offline
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Ok, last night I injected various low frequency signals from 40Hz to 80Hz, toggled between EQ on/off. I could not hear any discernible difference. I also tried listening with no signal and couldn't hear a difference.
The auto setup doesn't change the PEQ settings. Only the distance and levels.
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#99297 - 07/26/22 10:13 AM Re: 976 [Re: philto]
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Originally Posted By philto

How audible is it? Well, if I play the audiophile standard Spanish Harlem from Chesky, the bass notes at the beginning are clearly buzzing slightly (as if the speakers were being slightly overloaded.) This is over speakers and from the headphone jack as well. It isn't audible as noise without signal and higher frequencies are not affected. Test tones below say 200 Hz are also audibly affected. Does it reflect the difference in the 2 sweeps with EQ on and off? EQ on shows a hump in THD between 40 and 200 Hz, but still that's only around .02% at 100Hz... doesn't seem reasonable.


0.02% to me isn't audible. But, that said, i am of a certain age now. So maybe it's just me. But again, 0.02% isn't audible, especially over the material being played.
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#99298 - 07/26/22 08:16 PM Re: 976 [Re: Helson]
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Registered: 09/07/15
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Originally Posted By Helson
…The auto setup doesn't change the PEQ settings. Only the distance and levels.
strongly suggests the PEQ & the Distance/Levels DSP devices are separate.

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#99299 - 07/27/22 10:56 AM Re: 976 [Re: govguru]
Helson Offline
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Sure does. Separate parts of the DSP chip.
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#99301 - 07/28/22 05:05 PM Re: 976 [Re: govguru]
philto Offline
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Registered: 09/27/20
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Hi all
I now hear no difference on test tones with EQ on or off. I hear a very slight degradation on the Spanish Harlem track of audiophile fame, but nowhere else.
I think the cause is a noisy environment, if moving cables and what not around affects it.
I will publish some revised measurements (balanced out) on AV Nirvana, and possibly a few seconds of that track if it doesn't break copyright.
Thanks for all the suggestions. I need to do something about my AC or EMI situation if I want to improve things here.
The 976 is a stellar product at its price point.
Phil

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#99302 - 07/28/22 05:52 PM Re: 976 [Re: mario]
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Registered: 01/01/07
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Sorry, just seeing this! I am selling it for $550. It is all updated and working perfect. I also am selling my 7-channel amp model 7075 for $550 if interested. Last week I did a post on both of these as well in another section on here.
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#99303 - 07/28/22 06:03 PM Re: 976 [Re: mario]
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Originally Posted By mario
I'm interested. What's the price?
$550. Sent you a PM!
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#99309 - 08/26/22 10:34 PM Re: 976 [Re: govguru]
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Registered: 08/29/16
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Is there a replacement for the 976? All I can find on the website is a marantz av7706.

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#99310 - 08/29/22 09:17 AM Re: 976 [Re: govguru]
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Nope.
Maybe someday, or not at all.
Who knows?
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#99318 - 12/01/22 10:54 AM Re: 976 [Re: govguru]
Deromax Offline
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I last posted back in february 2022 about my 976 being dead for the third time, this time out of warranty. I decided to send it back again, at my expense, and quickly got it back. The outer packaging box is now *really* beat up, for having been cross border 3 times! The customs actually inspected the thing, I think they thought something was fishy with this kit travelling so much! smile Outlaw mentionned the HDMI board has overheated and suggested improvements on my enclosed equipement rack, which I did.

Just about 3 months lated, I woke up one day to an hazy home with that burned electronic smell. There was a 10 minutes frantic search for the "fire" until I got to the 976, which was actually still powered and normal looking, but frozen. It had put out a smoke show before dying again.... Neddless to say, that was it.

Back to searching a replacement, I found the market for mid-level pre-pro was still missing in action. Lots of 400$ receivers and lots of boutiques 5000$ pre-pro, but nothing in between. I realised that I'd have to go into the used market. Fortunately, several peoples are now replacing perfectly good gear to get in the Dolby Atmos bandwagon, which I don't need nor want. It was a question of a couple weeks to read products reviews, then find something suitable, almost locally, well a 2 hours drive. In the end, the replacement is great and actually improved the sound so much that I suspect that something was not correct with the bass management on the 976. The ergonomy, look, features, versatility, etc, are all in another league too. It should, for a product that sold new for like 3 time that of the 976!

Well, I'm really sad that Outlaw is in such a level of disarray with their offering, having only third parties pre-pro, a stereo receiver and their line of power amps and speakers. May they bounce back to fame someday!


Edited by Deromax (12/01/22 10:57 AM)
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