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#98459 - 04/21/19 06:25 AM Re: Product Development Update [Re: Outlaw Ben]
XenonMan Offline
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Unfortunately the market has already incorporated the technologies the Outlaw processor was going to be early to market with and the economy of scale is probably too great for a small company like Outlaw to overcome at this point. I would think that it will have a hard time competing with processors even below its projected cost and will go the route of the previous vaporware processors.
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Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
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#98463 - 04/25/19 05:27 PM Re: Product Development Update [Re: Outlaw Ben]
butchgo Offline
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Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 286
Loc: Beautiful Eastern Washington
I hope that you are wrong and they maybe have something up their sleeve.
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Epson 3500 3D projector
115" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 990 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for center & surround duty
2- Emotiva XPA-1Ls for L/R
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for deck
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Emotiva ERM-6.3 for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XLs L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Emotiva UOM-6.2 for the deck
Technics SL-1100A w/ Ortofon Super OM10 cart
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#98468 - 04/30/19 04:33 PM Re: Product Development Update [Re: Outlaw Ben]
XenonMan Offline
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
That is one long, long sleeve.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#98473 - 05/03/19 03:01 AM Re: Product Development Update [Re: XenonMan]
Ritz2 Offline
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Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 412
Loc: Virginia
Originally Posted By XenonMan
That is one long, long sleeve.


Seriously. I haven't seen anything truly eye/ear catching come out of Outlaw in 10+ years. I give them credit for helping me to ease into mid to higher end audio gear back in the 2005-2008 years with the 990 and 755 (mated to Maggie 1.6's) + some LFM-1's. People would visit my home and constantly compliment how amazing the system sounded for both 2ch and theater. The series of mulligans on the processor front ultimately turned me off to the brand entirely. Eventually Charlie Brown gets tired of the football getting pulled away. smile

I don't see how Outlaw can compete with the more modern AV processors and Monoprice now fills the niche of re-branding ATI and other higher end products at reasonable prices.

It was a great run while it lasted.
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#98477 - 05/03/19 02:29 PM Re: Product Development Update [Re: Outlaw Ben]
renov8r Offline
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Registered: 11/13/02
Posts: 334
Loc: Illinois
I dunno. There are all kinds of people that seem to enjoy audio and home theater. I am fortunate to live in an area that has a decent number of physical stores to demo gear and also has the large annual AXPONA show. There are just as many people looking for "good sound at good prices" as their people willing to spend a fortune -- http://hifitrends.com/2019/04/16/axpona-2019-show-report-high-end-audio-in-pictures/ vs http://hifitrends.com/2019/04/16/axpona-...nd-electronics/

The fact is the "well known for engineering prowess" firms have all kinds of bugs in their gear -- https://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/nad-m17v2


Ultimately it comes down to what sorts of "product experiences" happen.

Cambridge Audio has a retail store in one of the most "hipster" of Chicago's neighborhoods and they host interesting events like this one -- https://www.facebook.com/events/386431072212814/

Firms like Emotiva spend lots on more promotions than Outlaw but who knows how if that really translates into better profitability.

Meanwhile the CSO endured its longest strike in history -- https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/27/arts/music/chicago-symphony-strike.html Months ago Audio Consultants, who remains very heavily focused on traditional high end symphony type consumers, shuttered two of its three stores.


It is sort of weird but I bet if I were to ask my 17 year old or their friends if they have any idea what "Gateway" was they would shrug. In contrast if I asked them where the best place to try out new computers might be I am pretty darned sure they'd say "Apple Store". I continue to believe that while the sentiment of "best place to try out audio gear is in our own home" is accurate there still is a HUGE need to have a good "showroom experience". http://www.outlawaudio.com/about/about2.html The pendulum swings -- https://www.twice.com/retailing/svs-expands-dealer-sales-38955



Edited by renov8r (05/03/19 02:37 PM)

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#98509 - 06/06/19 09:09 AM Re: Product Development Update [Re: Outlaw Ben]
butchgo Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 286
Loc: Beautiful Eastern Washington
Well Emotiva has put the XMC-2 on their processor order page.
It's not available yet but I am thinking it's coming soon.
I really wanted to wait for Outlaw to release their flagship unit but for me it is too late now.
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Epson 3500 3D projector
115" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 990 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for center & surround duty
2- Emotiva XPA-1Ls for L/R
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for deck
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Emotiva ERM-6.3 for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XLs L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Emotiva UOM-6.2 for the deck
Technics SL-1100A w/ Ortofon Super OM10 cart
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#98701 - 01/13/20 07:20 AM Re: Product Development Update [Re: Outlaw Ben]
butchgo Offline
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Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 286
Loc: Beautiful Eastern Washington
Well here we are in a new decade and I still haven't upgraded my processor yet.
I was gong to buy the Emotiva XMC-2 but just couldn't do it.
I think I am going to re-think this and might just order the 976 and call it good.
I will probably never upgrade my theater to more than 7.2 so the 976 is a good fit I think.
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Epson 3500 3D projector
115" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 990 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for center & surround duty
2- Emotiva XPA-1Ls for L/R
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for deck
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Emotiva ERM-6.3 for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XLs L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Emotiva UOM-6.2 for the deck
Technics SL-1100A w/ Ortofon Super OM10 cart
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#98702 - 01/13/20 09:35 PM Re: Product Development Update [Re: butchgo]
AvFan Offline
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Registered: 09/12/05
Posts: 619
Loc: El Cajon, California
Originally Posted By butchgo
Well here we are in a new decade and I still haven't upgraded my processor yet.
I was gong to buy the Emotiva XMC-2 but just couldn't do it.
I think I am going to re-think this and might just order the 976 and call it good.
I will probably never upgrade my theater to more than 7.2 so the 976 is a good fit I think.


My suggestion is buy the 976. It handles all the current audio and video and if you don't think you'll need more than 7.2 then it fits. What it lacks is room correction but you can have that with a mic, REW and a bit of a learning curve.
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#98703 - 01/15/20 05:52 AM Re: Product Development Update [Re: butchgo]
EEman Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 510
Loc: Canton, MI
Originally Posted By butchgo
Well here we are in a new decade and I still haven't upgraded my processor yet.


Here we are in a new decade and my 975 is still broke-only because I am too lazy to go up in the attic and get the box out in order to ship it back and get it fixed.

Maybe I'll take the opportunity to upgrade also.

Has anyone moved from the 975 to the 976? Thoughts? Maybe start a new thread of 975 vs 976...
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Aperion Verus Grand Towers & Bookshelves, Verus Forte Center, Infinity Surrounds, Ultra-X12
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LG 65" OLED
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#98704 - 01/15/20 07:25 AM Re: Product Development Update [Re: AvFan]
butchgo Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 286
Loc: Beautiful Eastern Washington
Originally Posted By AvFan
Originally Posted By butchgo
Well here we are in a new decade and I still haven't upgraded my processor yet.
I was gong to buy the Emotiva XMC-2 but just couldn't do it.
I think I am going to re-think this and might just order the 976 and call it good.
I will probably never upgrade my theater to more than 7.2 so the 976 is a good fit I think.


My suggestion is buy the 976. It handles all the current audio and video and if you don't think you'll need more than 7.2 then it fits. What it lacks is room correction but you can have that with a mic, REW and a bit of a learning curve.


I know.
I was going to buy the 976 when it first came out but not being able to re-name the inputs was a turn off for me especially when it was learned that Outlaw was not going to write a firmware patch to give us that ability.
Now I feel stupid for not taking advantage of the discount to previous Outlaw customers.
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Epson 3500 3D projector
115" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 990 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for center & surround duty
2- Emotiva XPA-1Ls for L/R
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for deck
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Emotiva ERM-6.3 for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XLs L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Emotiva UOM-6.2 for the deck
Technics SL-1100A w/ Ortofon Super OM10 cart
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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