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#97532 - 01/08/18 04:50 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: dhop]
dhop Offline
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Registered: 12/19/06
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BenH2,

I have the Oppo Sacd option set to PCM and multi channel and it comes through the Hdmi. Sounds really good. Same with DVD-audio. Only need the analog for my old DTSCDs.
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#97534 - 01/08/18 08:36 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: BenH2]
mdanderson Offline
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Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
Originally Posted By BenH2
manderson,

According to the 976 manual, DSD decoding is now possible. But I can't get it work for SACDs played in the Oppo.

So you have the Oppo SACD output set to DSD and are using the 7.1 inputs on the 976?


Yes, that is the way I have my Oppo SACD output set(DSD) along with using the 7.1 inputs.
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#97535 - 01/08/18 08:42 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: dhop]
mdanderson Offline
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Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
Originally Posted By dhop
BenH2,

I have the Oppo Sacd option set to PCM and multi channel and it comes through the Hdmi. Sounds really good. Same with DVD-audio. Only need the analog for my old DTSCDs.


I also use the analog for my DTSCDs as well but I can get them to play through the hdmi input of the 976 if I let the Oppo do the decoding rather than bitstreaming it.
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Paradigm Studio CC-490v5-center
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Oppo UDP-205/LG 65C6
Outlaw 976 prepro/ Emotiva BasX A-700 amp
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#97552 - 01/10/18 02:53 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: dhop]
BenH2 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/02
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Originally Posted By dhop
BenH2,

I have the Oppo Sacd option set to PCM and multi channel and it comes through the Hdmi. Sounds really good. Same with DVD-audio. Only need the analog for my old DTSCDs.


When I try that, SACDs in 3.0 or 4.0 format do not play in the right channels. 3.0 plays in L/R/SR speakers - should be L/C/R and 4.0 sound is from L/C/R instead of L/R/SL/SR. Not totally sure if 5.1 are decoded correctly but I think so. Sound is from correct channels using analog 7.1.

Waiting for Oppo response.
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#97563 - 01/11/18 09:45 AM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: mdanderson]
BenH2 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/02
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Originally Posted By mdanderson
Originally Posted By BenH2
manderson,

So you have the Oppo SACD output set to DSD and are using the 7.1 inputs on the 976?


Yes, that is the way I have my Oppo SACD output set(DSD) along with using the 7.1 inputs.


manderson,

I've found there is no subwoofer sound unless the Oppo SACD output is set to PCM. When it's set to DSD my sub is silent - I verified this by turning all of the other amps off.

Is it different in your system?
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#97564 - 01/11/18 11:14 AM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: BenH2]
mdanderson Offline
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Registered: 04/14/01
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Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
Originally Posted By BenH2
Originally Posted By mdanderson
Originally Posted By BenH2
manderson,

So you have the Oppo SACD output set to DSD and are using the 7.1 inputs on the 976?


Yes, that is the way I have my Oppo SACD output set(DSD) along with using the 7.1 inputs.


manderson,

I've found there is no subwoofer sound unless the Oppo SACD output is set to PCM. When it's set to DSD my sub is silent - I verified this by turning all of the other amps off.

Is it different in your system?


I am getting plenty of sound from my sub when the OPPO is set to DSD . One thing to check on your OPPO is the setting where you choose front left/right instead of down mix stereo.
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Paradigm Studio 10v5- side surrounds,Monitor surround 3v7-bck surr
Oppo UDP-205/LG 65C6
Outlaw 976 prepro/ Emotiva BasX A-700 amp
Power Sound Audio 15S

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#97565 - 01/11/18 04:46 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: dhop]
psyprof1 Offline
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New Topic:
I like my 990 but would like the 976's HDMI capability - like so many others. But - can the owner name inputs on the 976's display like I've done on the 990; eg., "AudioTape", "VideoTape", "Phono+Aux"? (The last one is because I have a Parasound Zphono preamp which has two line-level inputs besides its phono input.)
Also, if I read the manual right, speaker equalization isn't available from analog inputs. Please tell me I'm wrong there.

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#97568 - 01/11/18 08:20 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: psyprof1]
mdanderson Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
Originally Posted By psyprof1
New Topic:
I like my 990 but would like the 976's HDMI capability - like so many others. But - can the owner name inputs on the 976's display like I've done on the 990; eg., "AudioTape", "VideoTape", "Phono+Aux"? (The last one is because I have a Parasound Zphono preamp which has two line-level inputs besides its phono input.)
Also, if I read the manual right, speaker equalization isn't available from analog inputs. Please tell me I'm wrong there.

990+D-Sonic class-D stereo amp+Magnestand-upgraded Magnepan 1.6QRs / nOrh LeAmp2+Magnepan MMG-C / Adcom GFA535+Magnepan MMG-Ws
AR XA turntable+Mayware Formula V unipivot+Denon DL-107 MM+Parasound Zphono UFG phono preamp
Oppo BDP93, Mapleshade cabling


Renaming of inputs is not an option on the 976 and the PEQ can't be applied to analog inputs. But on a positive note, the 976 sounds quite excellent for music and movies. I am very satisfied so far, espically with music. The soundstage is very good.


Edited by mdanderson (01/11/18 08:23 PM)
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Outlaw 976 prepro/ Emotiva BasX A-700 amp
Power Sound Audio 15S

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#97578 - 01/12/18 11:20 AM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: mdanderson]
BenH2 Offline
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Registered: 12/07/02
Posts: 10
Originally Posted By mdanderson
Originally Posted By BenH2
Originally Posted By mdanderson
Yes, that is the way I have my Oppo SACD output set(DSD) along with using the 7.1 inputs.


manderson,

I've found there is no subwoofer sound unless the Oppo SACD output is set to PCM. When it's set to DSD my sub is silent - I verified this by turning all of the other amps off.

Is it different in your system?


I am getting plenty of sound from my sub when the OPPO is set to DSD . One thing to check on your OPPO is the setting where you choose front left/right instead of down mix stereo.


manderson,

My Oppo speaker down mix is set to 5.1, which I believe is correct.

Oppo's response to the issue: "When set to DSD the player will not do any bass management as it is not processing the signal, so the player can't generate a subwoofer signal. When using PCM the player is decoding and processing the signal, thereby, allowing the player to generate a subwoofer signal."

Maybe your Oppo, being a later model, handles DSD differently.

I guess I'm resigned to using the analog outs from the Oppo with the SACD format set to PCM. And switching the Outlaw audio input for the Oppo to HDMI for video and 7.1 for SACD.

It's odd that the 976 does not assign channels correctly for PCM over HDMI when there is no LFE channel (when Oppo shows 5.0 on TV screen and not 5.1). Oppo says some Anthem pre-pros have this issue and apparently the Outlaw 976 does, too.

I did discover something about the 976 and the handling of the analog inputs that is not spelled out in the user manual. The level controls in the Oppo should all be set to the same level, because the 976 speaker levels are used. However, the Oppo crossover and distances should be set to the same values as those in the 976, because the 976 settings for those don't apply to the 7.1 inputs - according to Ben in Outlaw CS.
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#97581 - 01/12/18 01:30 PM Re: Trouble with old DTSCD - Sting and others [Re: dhop]
mdanderson Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
Since I am getting bass with DSD there has to be some sort of sub signal coming from my OPPO. I will try to get an answer for you in the OPPO 205 owners thread at AVS forum.

Here is a link that might help. Bob is an expert.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-blu-ra...ml#post52428105


Edited by mdanderson (01/12/18 01:50 PM)
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