#97569 - 01/12/18 09:57 AM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 12/16/12
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Counterpoint: I'm fine without superimposed menus or items if it keeps interrupts and additional processing out of the video stream. I use my ears (and the protestations of those I share a home with) not a number on screen to gauge whether I am at an appropriate sound pressure level. Given that sound pressure level will vary depending on how "hot" the output of a given source is makes a number on the screen even less meaningful to me.
YMMV
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#97571 - 01/12/18 10:42 AM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 01/16/11
Posts: 85
Loc: United States
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Counterpoint to your counterpoint:
Superimposed menus allow changes to be seen and heard while watching and listening to the source. Its a royal pain pulling up the OSD and having the picture and audio mute. Especially if im tuning a high volume scene - i dont feel comfortable coming out of mute at a high volume, so im lowering the volume before pulling up the OSD, and raising it again after the source comes back. Ive been trimming my subs this way and its a PITA !
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#97575 - 01/12/18 12:11 PM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 11/05/07
Posts: 88
Loc: Shawinigan, PQ, Canada
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The 976 have an HDMI input switch and a *very* basic menu generator. Having characters superimposed over live video is another thing altoghether. That require a video processor, which the 976 doesn't have. So I'm pretty sure you can forget about this function being added thru a firmware update. Tha 976 was never marketed as a video processing beast.
Edited by Deromax (01/12/18 12:13 PM)
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#97576 - 01/12/18 02:09 PM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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I agree with Deromax this is not going to be fixed with the 976. When I sit down to listen to music or watch a movie I tend to use my ears vice my eyes to decide how much volume I need. I have not seen a processor that will allow live menu ops while the video still plays. Does anyone know of one, especially one in Outlaws price range?
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#97762 - 02/09/18 04:59 PM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Desperado
Registered: 06/29/01
Posts: 894
Loc: Grants Pass, OR
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I don't have the 976 (still rocking the 975) but I'm happy to not have volume and other feedback displayed over my video. If we can't hear it, it goes up. If it's too loud for us, it goes down. As fourtensandtwo pointed out, every source is slightly different, some majorly so, so an arbitrary value won't be the uniform SPL for everything.
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#97765 - 02/10/18 09:52 AM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
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I use my ears for volume adjustments as well. I do like the default volume setting in the 976 menu, although it's a global setting.
As Owl's_Warder points out, every source is slightly different. It would be nice(r) to have this setting for each input source. The 976 starts out at -40dB, but I've had to set mine to -60dB for the TV converter source.
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#97799 - 02/19/18 11:29 AM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
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Desperado
Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 368
Loc: Southern Oregon coast
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Has anyone compared the DACs in the 976 to the Sabre DACs in an Oppo 105 or 205?
I am still on the fence about the 976.
If the DACs in the 976 equal the Oppo's then that might push me over.
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#97800 - 02/19/18 12:37 PM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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Without the actual DAC specs from outlaw you will never know. At this point of diminishing returns I don't think anyone can tell.
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#97801 - 02/19/18 01:01 PM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: butchgo]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 04/14/01
Posts: 161
Loc: Garland,Tx. USA
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Has anyone compared the DACs in the 976 to the Sabre DACs in an Oppo 105 or 205?
I am still on the fence about the 976.
If the DACs in the 976 equal the Oppo's then that might push me over. I have the OPPO 205 and the 976 and I prefer sacs in the 205 even though the 976 sounds really nice. I listen to all my music through the analog inputs but the dacs in the 976 sound pretty good compared though.
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#97803 - 02/19/18 05:16 PM
Re: 976 On Screen Display
[Re: jmeno]
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Desperado
Registered: 09/10/05
Posts: 443
Loc: Santa Barbara, CA
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I'm interested in the 976 but want to see a professional review, ideally one comparing its sound quality to the 990.
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