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#96706 - 06/30/17 06:09 PM An Ultra-X13 review
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Greetings fellow gunslingers - I hadn't posted in a while (work and family obligations), but the email from Outlaw this week reminded me that I ought to drop back by the saloon.

I used an original LFM-1 from somewhere around 2004 or 2005 until this year. It's been a good sub for a long time and is still going strong at a friend's house, but it was about time for an upgrade when the Ultra-X13 cropped up so I took the plunge on an upgrade. The Audioholics reviewer's experience matches well with my own, so I'm going to skip trying to get into the same level of detail they have already posted.

If you get one, be ready for the box - it's huge and heavy, and my daughter had a lot of fun proving she could move it by pushing it across the hardwood from the front door to the den. The sub itself is a little taller and wider than the old LFM-1 (enough bigger that I could see the change, but not enough that my wife cared).

The Ultra-X13 does not look significantly different from the LFM-1, but performance is a different situation. As soon as we fired it up, my wife commented on the change. It was reminiscent of the process of trying out different speakers and electronics, or changing from a badly compressed audio source to a good lossless copy: the Ultra-X13's bass is clear and effortless, but doesn't overwhelm the rest of the audio spectrum.

Just in case somebody is on the fence about picking up an Ultra-X13 during the sale, my two cents is to take the plunge.
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#96711 - 07/02/17 09:15 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
Owl's_Warder Offline
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Thanks, gonk. Nice to see you again! It's also good to hear some impressions about real world performance. smile

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#97071 - 11/15/17 11:09 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
Hank Offline
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Registered: 03/30/01
Posts: 338
Loc: Austin, Texas, USA
Any other regular (or irregular) posters bought the Ultra-X13? I'm in the market for a new sub and have been considering buying two, either stereo, or more likely, both connected to the Sub output of my 975. I've read lots of good comments regarding good large room coverage with 2 (or more) subs. I'm considering 2 Outlaw Ultra-X12's or 2 Rhythmik LVX12's or perhaps building 2 W-frame OB subs with servo amps. But, this Ultra-X13 just grabbed my attention.
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#97081 - 11/17/17 08:43 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
EEman Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
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Loc: Canton, MI
Don't have the X-13 and only one X-12, which is enough for my house.

Looking at the math you could get two X-12's for less than one X-13 and the two would have almost 30% more radiating surface area though less total amplifier power than the X-13 .

So if the extra couple of Hz extension and the THX certification don't do much for you then I'd be tempted to go for the two X-12s. The one thing that may make it worth it is that the X-13 should have less distortion.

Oh and the X-12 is about 40 lbs lighter smile

That's my 2 cents. As always YMMV.
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#97082 - 11/17/17 09:34 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
Hank Offline
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EEman, I've read so much favorable to multiple subs, I think I'm going to go with either two X-12's or two Rythmik subs.
Thanks for your input.
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#97110 - 11/21/17 11:03 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
Outlaw Ben Offline

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Registered: 10/31/13
Posts: 171
Two Ultra-X12s for $999 right now on the Black Friday Promo, or $1099 each Ultra-X13! Both products have free shipping to the 48 states during the promotion.

https://www.outlawaudio.com/mofcart/BlackFriday2017.html

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#97297 - 12/16/17 10:32 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: Outlaw Ben]
Mountain Offline
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Registered: 01/26/17
Posts: 1
Loc: WV
I took advantage of the thanksgiving sale and purchased the Ultra-X13. Fits nice in my room. Love the subwoofer. Left plugs out, equalization 2 (thx recommended). I set crossovers through oppo bdp 105 and emotiva umc-200. I also manualy set distances. I use 7.1 direct analog outs from Oppo, stereo setting from umc-200 analog input (to engage subwoofer for 2.1) from oppo two channel out (direct), and HDMI for cable tv box (umc-200). I have a fairly large room, subwoofer integrates easily, and bass is effortless. Whole system has benefitted. One happy camper here. Maybe soon I'll try different port tuning, use my db phone meter more accurately, maybe even try emoQ. Haha, for now I'm just listening. Recommended.
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#97328 - 12/19/17 09:26 PM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
Eggtuary Offline
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Registered: 04/26/17
Posts: 3
I have one Ultra-X12 that I really like, but I feel like I want more "oomph." I see people saying that two X12's is a nice upgrade over just one. But what if I got an X13 as my second sub? Clearly, it would be more power to have one X13 and one X12, rather than two X12's. But would it be terribly noticeable?

Then again, one review talks about how impressively tight the bass is on the X13. What if I did most of my music listening with just an X13 (where I most value clarity), but powered up the X12 to work along with it during movies?

When I use REW in my room without a sub, I'm able to control bass ringing pretty well, especially since I picked up some acoustic treatments. But as soon as I turn on my X12, I get significant ringing at 20 Hz. Now I'm wondering if that ringing is necessarily the room, or if it could also be due to the sub?

The price on the X13 right now is quite tempting, so I'm trying to figure this out in the next few days, if possible.

Thanks!

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#97333 - 12/20/17 08:20 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Depending on your room size the two subs could be great or way too much. I have the LFM1-EX which is similar to the X12 in size and design. I use the LFM1-EX for movies mostly but it is not THX certified. The X13 is THX certified and I would expect it to excel in the THX realm which is mostly movie tracks. If you get the X13 the extra $$$ is partly due to that THX cert and I would focus it on movies. Bear in mind that depending on the crossover used and the design of the main speakers there isn't a lot of music which goes below 60 hz so the extra oomph might be wasted on music.
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#97336 - 12/20/17 09:32 AM Re: An Ultra-X13 review [Re: gonk]
Eggtuary Offline
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Registered: 04/26/17
Posts: 3
My room is almost 3000 cubic feet, and opens up (through a door and "pass-through window") to a large eat-in kitchen.

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