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#96589 - 05/16/17 09:18 AM Anyone excited about the 2160?
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If the dacs are solid, I plan on selling my 2150.

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#96590 - 05/16/17 11:27 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Based on what was used in the 976 I would expect to see the DACs in the RR-2160 to be updated over your RR-2150.

I scanned the manual and see under the section covering USB connectivity a PC can be connected via USB to the 2160 for PC's without sound cards or containing sub standard/outdated cards. Based on those listed specs the DAC's should be up to current standards.

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#96591 - 05/16/17 03:36 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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From pg 25 of the manual, "The PC USB input allows the RR 2160 to act as
an external sound card for a PC or Mac. With this
input, any file format supported by the computer is
supported, with bit depth and sampling rates up to 24bit/192kHz"

I like the idea of the internet radio. I may have to consider two channel now.
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#96592 - 05/16/17 03:40 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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From the announcement..."with both front and rear-panel USB inputs. They feed Burr-Brown PCM DACs with native 192/24 capability."
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#96594 - 05/16/17 09:24 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Stephen B]
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Originally Posted By Stephen B
Based on what was used in the 976 I would expect to see the DACs in the RR-2160 to be updated over your RR-2150.

I scanned the manual and see under the section covering USB connectivity a PC can be connected via USB to the 2160 for PC's without sound cards or containing sub standard/outdated cards. Based on those listed specs the DAC's should be up to current standards.


Yes, I expect that to be true. I am a proponent that most dacs today sound the same but the the 2150 usb was limited - would not integrate with a smart phone and limited to 16/48. However, it is over 10 years old. With this new feature set, not sure any 2 channel integrated can touch the 2160 at this price point.

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#96597 - 05/18/17 08:34 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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I did find it interesting to see a processor loop has been provided. I wonder if there might be another new product in the works.

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#96598 - 05/18/17 08:45 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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This is exactly what I need and want for my office. I am just bummed it's 120V, 60Hz only. I wish Outlaw used some switchable power supplies.

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#96599 - 05/19/17 10:14 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Outlaw has in the past made the 230V/50hz version of the 2150 in very limited quantities. Maybe they will do the same for the 2160.
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#96600 - 05/19/17 10:42 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Retep]
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If you look at the rear panel the warnings are in English, German and French but not Spanish. Why would they do this unless there was some European content planned?

Also, does anyone know why the 2160 needs 2 GBytes of FLASH memory? That seems like a lot to me...
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#96601 - 05/19/17 03:13 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: EEman]
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Originally Posted By EEman


Also, does anyone know why the 2160 needs 2 GBytes of FLASH memory? That seems like a lot to me...


What is the flash memory used for?

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#96602 - 05/19/17 04:56 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Probably needed for the file system to be stored so it can read future updates. It might not be accessible to the users.
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#96603 - 05/19/17 05:45 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: XenonMan]
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Originally Posted By XenonMan
Outlaw has in the past made the 230V/50hz version of the 2150 in very limited quantities. Maybe they will do the same for the 2160.
I hope they chime in because I'd be happy to wait if that's the plan.

Anyone know anything about he headphone amp section as power and ohm etc.

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#96604 - 05/20/17 10:43 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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We just never know what the Outlaws will do, that's why they are Outlaws. After taking a look at the manual it appears the 2160 will be able to use any standard headphone setup. The main volume control is used to determine output so I believe there will be plenty of available SPL. No real specs for the headphone amp although it probably shares the main amp section somehow.
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Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
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#96614 - 05/22/17 08:15 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: XenonMan]
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Originally Posted By XenonMan
We just never know what the Outlaws will do, that's why they are Outlaws. After taking a look at the manual it appears the 2160 will be able to use any standard headphone setup. The main volume control is used to determine output so I believe there will be plenty of available SPL. No real specs for the headphone amp although it probably shares the main amp section somehow.
Cool... I ask about headphones because I have a pair of AKG's that are hard to drive and plan to pick up a pair of HD650's. I've heard a good headphone amps makes a big difference. The one I have now isn't suffice.

Anyway, I wish outlaw would chime in at the possibility of supports 240v/50hz. wink

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#96617 - 05/23/17 12:19 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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In doing some research in the older 2150 threads it appears that the 2150 was adapted to 120/240 volt but not 50hz. Sorry for the confusion.
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Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#96622 - 05/23/17 03:52 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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At this time, I am not aware of any plans for the European market or any locations running on ~220-240v. In regards to headphones, because the headphone output utilizes a negative feedback loop it is very hard to provide specifications; realistically though, if it was anything over 100 ohms, I would consider an external headphone amp.

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#96624 - 05/23/17 04:42 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Outlaw Ben]
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Originally Posted By Outlaw Ben
At this time, I am not aware of any plans for the European market or any locations running on ~220-240v. In regards to headphones, because the headphone output utilizes a negative feedback loop it is very hard to provide specifications; realistically though, if it was anything over 100 ohms, I would consider an external headphone amp.
Thanks Ben. Great product and would love to buy it. Adcom and D-Sonic have given me papers on how to modify their amplifiers for 240/50, but I understand that's highly unusual etc.

Again, thanks for the response and good luck with the 2160.

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#96633 - 05/26/17 08:45 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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I was reading up on the 2160 manual and this piece looks sweet. All the features can be adjusted via remote without ever touching it. I wasn't considering a two channel before, but this may change my mind. Just have to convince my better half and find somewhere to put it. Internet radio has my immediate interest. But, the ability to create a playlist with a flash drive is another thing luring me in. There's also DLNA. So I like the idea of using my phone as a remote to choose music, as an alternative to creating a playlist. I didn't have the 2150, but my friend has one and that is a great sounding receiver. The 2160 must be right up there with SQ. Also, I like that the display can be turned off or dimmed. Years ago I had a Marantz receiver, one of the ones with the gyro tuning wheel. That was a great sounding piece. This 2160 should make anyone forget reminiscing about those older model receivers.
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#96634 - 05/26/17 09:14 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Outlaw Ben]
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Ben, thanks for the input. Couple questions - to the Headphone out - is it the same as the 2150? I actually use the 2150 with my hd650s. Not too bad. And will the usb input recognize a smartphone?

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#96637 - 05/30/17 11:11 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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It is a similar design, yes. I believe the HD650s are 300 ohms but very efficient. If the RR2150 provides enough output for you, then the RR2160 would as well.

The USB-A inputs are intended for thumb-drives. Smartphones can connect to the unit via DLNA.

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#96644 - 06/04/17 01:26 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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I am the proud owner of a new RR2160. With Bens help I was able to connect my HP laptop to the receiver and sure enough 24/192. The unit sounds great and the boost at 55hz really helped my Klipsch Heresys.I have only had the unit but so far all I can say is WOW.

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#96655 - 06/06/17 11:46 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Was thinking about getting one but with the problems of my RR2150 speaker selector going bad twice and going into protection I will look elsewhere. Had and still have the 950, 970 and 990, they were excellent products when Outlaw first started but now they just seem to be sellers of other products instead of just there own. I thought they would really be a top of the line company with reasonably priced products but there own are basic and top of the line someone elses.

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#96661 - 06/06/17 01:43 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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As I stated previously on page 2 of this thread about the 2160, "All the features can be adjusted via remote without ever touching it."
Which begs the question on the 2150, how often are you switching the speaker selector switch in normal operation? It is, after all, a mechanical switch. Mechanical components can break from using them. But in a typical set up with the 2150, you have your speakers hooked up and the speaker switch set to one position. I could be wrong here but, doesn't seem to me like it could break without ever touching it. Are you switching between zones with speaker A and B? and therefore using the selector switch more?

I've been in the consumer electronics repair business for many years and serviced many brands. They all can fail in one way or another. You take measure of a company by, if they treat you fairly, for one example, after any failure occurs, whether in-warranty or out.
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#96663 - 06/07/17 12:21 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: steve1173]
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Originally Posted By steve1173
Was thinking about getting one but with the problems of my RR2150 speaker selector going bad twice and going into protection I will look elsewhere. Had and still have the 950, 970 and 990, they were excellent products when Outlaw first started but now they just seem to be sellers of other products instead of just there own. I thought they would really be a top of the line company with reasonably priced products but there own are basic and top of the line someone elses.
I had that problem with my Onkyo Integra 8700-A. That was years ago and as noted above, it was because I constantly switched between direct and stereo mode. I had it fixed by a local repair shop in Redwood City, CA. I do not hold Onkyo to the fire for my use situation.

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#96665 - 06/07/17 12:55 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Looks like Outlaws' awesome customer service strikes again! Check out Outlaw Ben's reply to steve1173's issue over in the 2150 forum:

Originally Posted By Outlaw Ben
It is unfortunate that this has been left out, but yes, Helson and Xenon, we've already made an exception to try and take care of Steve. This was done immediately when he first contacted us. His unit is coming in; if we find it to be the speaker selector switch, after we've already serviced it, I told Steve we would cover the repair - parts and labor, the return shipping to him, and reimburse him for the inbound-shipping.

Lets face it, this unit shouldn't have to come in again. Unfortunately, things do happen and rather than telling you: Sorry, you are outside of warranty, we are telling you this repair should not need to be made twice and if this is related to the speaker selector switch Outlaw will be covering all costs.


That's first class customer care. smile

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#96666 - 06/07/17 01:39 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Owl's_Warder]
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Originally Posted By Owl's_Warder
Looks like Outlaws' awesome customer service strikes again! Check out Outlaw Ben's reply to steve1173's issue over in the 2150 forum:

Originally Posted By Outlaw Ben
It is unfortunate that this has been left out, but yes, Helson and Xenon, we've already made an exception to try and take care of Steve. This was done immediately when he first contacted us. His unit is coming in; if we find it to be the speaker selector switch, after we've already serviced it, I told Steve we would cover the repair - parts and labor, the return shipping to him, and reimburse him for the inbound-shipping.

Lets face it, this unit shouldn't have to come in again. Unfortunately, things do happen and rather than telling you: Sorry, you are outside of warranty, we are telling you this repair should not need to be made twice and if this is related to the speaker selector switch Outlaw will be covering all costs.


That's first class customer care. smile
That's exactly what I look for too. In no way was I intimating that the switch breaking, should be expected, but these things can happen. Great to know you will be taken care of fairly and swiftly.
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#96667 - 06/07/17 02:15 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Retep]
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Originally Posted By Retep
[/quote]I had that problem with my Onkyo Integra 8700-A. That was years ago and as noted above, it was because I constantly switched between direct and stereo mode. I had it fixed by a local repair shop in Redwood City, CA. I do not hold Onkyo to the fire for my use situation.
Just to let you know, I'm a fan of some of your earlier work...
http://saloon.outlawaudio.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=20377&page=3
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#96668 - 06/07/17 04:20 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Helson]
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Originally Posted By Helson
Originally Posted By Retep
I had that problem with my Onkyo Integra 8700-A. That was years ago and as noted above, it was because I constantly switched between direct and stereo mode. I had it fixed by a local repair shop in Redwood City, CA. I do not hold Onkyo to the fire for my use situation.
Just to let you know, I'm a fan of some of your earlier work...
http://saloon.outlawaudio.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=20377&page=3
Thanks! I forgot I did some of those designs. That was a long time ago. wink


Edited by Retep (06/07/17 08:18 PM)

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#96808 - 08/21/17 12:03 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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#96950 - 10/08/17 09:17 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Having gone back to vinyl big time, I am interested in the phono stage of the 2160 but have not seen any mention of the sound in any reviews or the forum. Could someone comment on the phono amp quality on this unit?

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#96953 - 10/08/17 11:13 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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I would expect that the phono stage is similar if not identical to the one in the RR2150 which I think is also the same as the 990 processor. Both have been noted in reviews to be very good.
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Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
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#96955 - 10/09/17 12:33 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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I believe that the phono stage in the 2150 is well regarded. I have a hard time believing that the 2160 wouldn't, at the very least, match it for quality.

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#96960 - 10/10/17 11:25 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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I've been eyeing the 2160 since hearing about it. I had ruled out the 2150 in the past due to its lack of the digital connectivity that is now included on the 2160. Currently using a Marantz AVR (SR6003) as a 2 channel preamp running a Adcom GFA-5500 200 watts per channel @8ohms//350 watts per channel @4ohms. The Marantz' DAC is doing the conversion from my digital source. I'm running pure direct so I run the preouts through the 80Hz crossover in my sub and back out to the amp so the amp & speakers don't get the full low bass.

I wonder if I'd be happy replacing the Marantz/Adcom setup with the 2160? Thoughts!!

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#97503 - 01/06/18 07:11 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Cadboy64]
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Cadboy64, I'm in a similar boat as you as I'm very happy with Rotel RA-12, but have always wondered/hoped that having an integrated amp with full sub-management, would improve my overall sound by not having to drive my GoldenEar Aon 3's with a full range of sound. Now that the Outlaw 2160 has more digital connectivity (streaming, HD Radio, etc...) I decided to order it and compare it head to head with my Rotel. I really hope that it can sounds at least as good as my Rotel (hopefully better), while adding the new features too. I'll let you know what I think once it arrives and I get it up and running.

If the meantime, if anyone can offer some more comparisons with the 2160 that they have done, I think there is a lot of interest in real world experiences in this forum.

-Stach

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#97615 - 01/17/18 10:09 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Stach,

Any updates on the 2160? Have you even received it yet?

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#97621 - 01/18/18 10:53 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Cadboy64]
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Cadboy64, yes it has and I've had about 1 week to play around with it. I've been trying to do some A/B comparisons with my Rotel, but that's too slow of a process (2 minutes to swap all the cables and adjust the sub) for an instant switching comparison (which I would prefer to make the best comparison). It also has taken some time to tune the subwoofer as I've discovered that while my Rotel sounded best with a 0 degree phase, the Outlaw needs the exact opposite, 180 degree phase, which took me a while to figure out (as well as volume and filter frequency).

Positives about the Outlaw RR2160 vs. my Rotel (these are not major improvements, but minor in scale....but still valued)
- Bigger soundstage as the sound extends further outside of the speakers
- Better imaging and distinct placement of voices / instruments
- Subtly better detail with a more neutral sound (the Rotel is slightly on the warm side)
- The bass management is wonderful and really provides great flexibility in tuning / refining the bass to get the best detail

Negatives about the Outlaw:
- Internet streaming audio is virtually useless, as you have to go through so many selections and clicks to find / tune a station, with NO way to save a favorite as a preset. The small display just isn't made to find, tune and listen to 1000's of stations easily. The Outlaw desperately needs a phone, tablet or web app to control this.
- When no music is playing, a slight hum can be heard coming from the transformers in my smallish office 11'x14'. I haven't really tried to isolate the issue yet as it is minor and even in the quietest music passages, you can't hear it, but it's there. Both the amp and sub are plugged into the same CyberPower UPS, so I will try going around that as well as moving the RCA wire connection to the sub.

Question:
Does anyone else hear any hum coming from the transformers when no music is playing?

Let me know if you have any questions.

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#97622 - 01/18/18 11:19 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
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Many times the cable TV/Satellite connection is a different ground plane than the rest of the system and can cause the hum. Attach a small wire from the cable box to the 976 chassis using one of the screws.
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#97624 - 01/19/18 07:14 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
Stach Offline
Deputy Gunslinger

Registered: 12/16/17
Posts: 8
The hum is from my new RR2160. Here are the connections that it has (no antennas connected yet):

Power:
- I have only the RR2160 and SVS sub connected to a CyberPower UPS

Audio:
- Digital Coax connection to my hires media player
- Cat 5e network cable
- Single RCA cable from sub output to SVS sub
- Speakers connected

Unfortunately I can't switch to Optical Digital cables/input as they are limited to 24/96 and I have 24/192 music

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#97632 - 01/19/18 04:04 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: No Good Points]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
So the hum is internal to the 2160 or is it coming from your speakers?
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Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#97636 - 01/20/18 11:29 AM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: Stach]
Helson Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By Stach
The hum is from my new RR2160. Here are the connections that it has (no antennas connected yet):

Power:
- I have only the RR2160 and SVS sub connected to a CyberPower UPS

Audio:
- Digital Coax connection to my hires media player
- Cat 5e network cable
- Single RCA cable from sub output to SVS sub
- Speakers connected

Unfortunately I can't switch to Optical Digital cables/input as they are limited to 24/96 and I have 24/192 music
This type of hum is usually from DC on the AC line. Try turning off any lights, one at a time in the area to see if one of them is the culprit. I'd start with any desktop lighting, or stand-alone lighting fixtures.
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#97638 - 01/20/18 02:03 PM Re: Anyone excited about the 2160? [Re: XenonMan]
Stach Offline
Deputy Gunslinger

Registered: 12/16/17
Posts: 8
I was able to get rid of the hum, that I was hearing internally one the RR2160, by unplugging and moving the Rotel Integrated Amp away from it (it wasn't on, but in standby mode).

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