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#96397 - 03/07/17 03:56 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Owl's_Warder]
Stephen B Offline
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I understand you like how Audussey does the system and in your position I would feel the same. I was interested in seeing the REW info for a before and after automated correction data point.

I just want to see the graphs, was not trying to suggest you scrap Audussey and run a manual system set up. Sorry if my post was not clear on that point.

I have a friend with a newer Integra unit so will try to get over to his place this weekend to run sweeps. If I find anything interesting I will post the results.

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#96398 - 03/07/17 06:40 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Owl's_Warder]
XenonMan Offline
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I think I understand what you want to see from the curves. I know I definitely hear a difference when Audyssey is engaged and the adjustment is done. Since I would use my RS meter as the mike and AVS suggests it is not very good above 3khz I am not sure any value would be gained by looking at my curves.
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#96399 - 03/07/17 07:59 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Owl's_Warder]
Stephen B Offline
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We are on the same page. I want to see before and after curves to see the problems that might exist then how the correction handles everything.

If REW lists your RS meter in its mic list it might be worth playing with a bit. I doubt there is much going on above 3k. I am not sure about this but what about using the set up mic for your AVR?

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#96400 - 03/07/17 11:19 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Owl's_Warder]
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I thought about the setup mike but it would need a calibration file for REW. My original 990 setup mike was lost for 4 years but recently reappeared and is really geared to the 990s sensors. The Audyssey mike that came with my Onkyo uses a funky werbling sound for the setup and I don't know if it could be calibrated to REW specs. The RS meter is in REW but has its downsides. REW really wants us to use a specific calibrated mike.
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#96401 - 03/07/17 09:36 PM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Stephen B]
sdurani Offline
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Originally Posted By Stephen B
I flashed back to all of the people I knew in the 70's with 10 band (full octave) eq's where the sliders always looked like smilies.
They were doing loudness compensation, whether they realized it or not, boosting the parts of the spectrum (bass & treble) that fell off quickest when the volume was lowered to moderate listening levels.
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#96509 - 04/14/17 06:40 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Helson]
975 destroyer Offline
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Originally Posted By Helson
You might need to run the set up one time for each separate sub if that's the case.
users should try separate & together. My concern for users is the EQ for one sub may complement or clash w/the other.

For that matter, EQing one channel or sub at a time doesn't allow the software to adjust the channel's output particularly in the lower octaves. You may end up w/a "bassy" sounding system and not understand why.
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#96510 - 04/14/17 07:08 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Stephen B]
975 destroyer Offline
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Originally Posted By Stephen B
We are on the same page. I want to see before and after curves to see the problems that might exist then how the correction handles everything.
me too! Further if the 976 allows even limited "tweaking" on the fly, that would be killer! The 975 allows amost every setting changed on the fly.
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#96513 - 04/15/17 02:49 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: 975 destroyer]
Helson Offline
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Originally Posted By 975 destroyer
Originally Posted By Helson
You might need to run the set up one time for each separate sub if that's the case.
users should try separate & together. My concern for users is the EQ for one sub may complement or clash w/the other.

For that matter, EQing one channel or sub at a time doesn't allow the software to adjust the channel's output particularly in the lower octaves. You may end up w/a "bassy" sounding system and not understand why.

I think you will need to EQ each channel at a time first, then use the set up mic to adjust for levels.
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#96524 - 04/16/17 08:50 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Helson]
Stephen B Offline
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Originally Posted By Helson

I think you will need to EQ each channel at a time first, then use the set up mic to adjust for levels.


I am not trying to pick an argument with you Helson but I would think it would be just the opposite.

I would think the levels and time alignment would need to be first. If you eq to mismatched levels your PEQ settings will be off when you change the levels.

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#96532 - 04/18/17 07:21 AM Re: 10 Band EQ on the 976 [Re: Stephen B]
sdurani Offline
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Originally Posted By Stephen B
I would think the levels and time alignment would need to be first.
When setting levels, either manually using a SPL meter or automatically using the 976's included mic, a large peak in one of the channels can throw off the measurement, resulting in mismatched levels. To avoid mismatched levels, better to first EQ the response smooth and then set levels, as Helson posted.
Originally Posted By Stephen B
If you eq to mismatched levels your PEQ settings will be off when you change the levels.
Levels shouldn't affect the EQ step. A 6dB peak will remain 6dB louder than adjacent frequencies whether you turn the level up or down.
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