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#95708 - 02/12/16 03:23 PM not happy with these units
Lowman Offline
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Registered: 02/04/16
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I bought two of these blue tooth units from Outlaw on the assumption they would be quality units since my Preamp from Outlaw is very nice. I have many many connection problems with these units while other bluetooth devices in the same room do not have this issue. I spoke to Outlaw and they were willing to have a look at the units to see if there was something wrong. I was all set to send one in for repair...but I hooked my Avantree Roxa bluetooth receiver to the powered speakers the BRT-100 was hooked to.....and noticed an immediate improvement in sound. I didn't think sound quality would be noticeable between bluetooth devices. It was very noticeable...and the connection problems disappeared as well. I have decided to not send these in for repair...as I feel they are just junk, relabeled from some other company units.

I don't know if I can trust Outlaw again for another purchase.

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#95710 - 02/14/16 10:53 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
butchgo Offline
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Registered: 06/22/07
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Loc: Southern Oregon coast
That's odd.
I have two of them, one at home and one at work, and I have never had any connection problems of any kind.
Maybe there is something else interfering with the signal?????
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93" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 976 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for LCR & L/R surrounds
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for rear surrounds
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Outlaw LCR (Snell Labs) for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XL L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#95714 - 02/16/16 11:30 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Outlaw Ben Offline

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It is too bad you feel that way. They are not another companies relabeled product. To have one unit with problems, never mind two, is rare. Our offer to have one unit sent in for evaluation still stands; if we verify a problem, we will make sure you are taken care of with both BTR-100s.

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#95718 - 02/16/16 05:05 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
There are many things that can interfere with a bluetooth signal. Here is a link which gives some ideas of what can interfere and how it can be remedied. It is geared towards Apple stuff but it still applies. We all use so many devices these days that can cause interference it is hard to say which ones may be a problem. I would definitely send a unit into Outlaw and let them take a look at it.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201542
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95719 - 02/16/16 05:16 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Here is a more in depth description of devices which can cause intererence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2.4_GHz_radio_use
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95720 - 02/17/16 10:37 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
Thanks Xenonman. The 2.4 GHz bandwidth is definitely getting crowded.
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sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#95727 - 02/17/16 09:18 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Years ago my microwave would really interfere with my cordless phone because both were 2.4 Ghz.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95729 - 02/18/16 03:36 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
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Loc: USA
I was not aware of the "spread-spectrum" technique that some of these cordless phones and other devices use.
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#95732 - 02/20/16 10:42 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Helson]
EEman Offline
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The spread spectrum technique actually increases the noise immunity of the signal because, as the name implies, the power is spread over a wider frequency range. To get the signal back you can use a technique like matched filtering which puts the signal back together.

However these are low power devices and if some source, say a leaky microwave, is outputting a large (relatively speaking) amount of power then you can saturate the low noise amp on the receiver and cause signal degradation.
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#95733 - 02/21/16 01:16 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
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Loc: USA
So, if you're using some devices with spread spectrum technique, and other devices that don't employ this type, the devices that don't, end up being more prone to interference?
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#95734 - 02/21/16 07:30 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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That would be the general idea. What we don't know is how the BTR deals with it.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95736 - 02/23/16 10:41 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Helson]
EEman Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
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It depends. Think of it this way. Say you have ten frequencies: 1-10. Your spread spectrum device will send information on all ten frequencies but another device may send it only on one frequency (e.g. frequency 7).

So say your old, leaky microwave is blasting out power on frequency 7. You totally wipe out your frequency 7 device but only 10% of your spread spectrum device. (i.e. Frequency 1-6 and 8-10 come through without interference). With a little error correction you can fully recover the spread spectrum data.

Of course it's a little more complicated than that but you should get the idea.
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975/7075/SMS-1
Aperion Verus Grand Towers & Bookshelves, Verus Forte Center, Infinity Surrounds, Ultra-X12
Oppo BDP-203, XBOX360, Xbox One
LG 65" OLED
RR2150 w/Klipsch SCR-2

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#95737 - 02/24/16 11:37 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
Thanks, Guys.
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#95956 - 08/13/16 05:34 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
IAengineer Offline
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Registered: 04/22/16
Posts: 6
Loc: Massachusetts, USA
Has anyone manage to pair a BTR-100 with a MacBook. I short, I can't get it to work. With the audio connected I get the "tinkle" when I press the pairing button, but no device name shows up in the Bluetooth Menu, like several other bluetooth devices. I have three registered names out of a max of eight, so I don't think that is the problem. In desperation I launched the Bluetooth Explorer and pressed the button, and I did see some info on the Explorer. It told me the BTR-100 was an audio device (major) and an earpiece (minor). There was no name like "BTR" that I could see>

Is this normal?

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#95957 - 08/17/16 01:47 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Does it work or not. If it is showing up in your computer I think it is paired. Not familiar with how Macs do this but it is pretty straightforward process with PCs. Call Outlaw for some support.
_________________________
Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95962 - 08/23/16 02:00 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
Just did a quick search for Macbook bluetooth pairing/connecting issues. It seems there are a few sites available for help on this topic.
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#96659 - 06/06/17 12:34 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
SternFan Offline
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Registered: 04/26/05
Posts: 11
Loc: Denver area
I was getting some high-pitched interference with occasional clicks. I switched out the power cable to the one that came with my Amazon Fire tablet and there is no more interference.

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#96734 - 07/09/17 05:18 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
rjp6 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/06
Posts: 2
Loc: Seattle
I know that this is a Bluetooth device, but it behaves as if it is a line of sight remote. Standing within 5 ft of the receiver, the signal from an Ipad is blocked if I stand with my back to the receiver—that is, with my body between the Ipad and the receiver. No other electronics running in the room. Not worth the $40 Outlaw Audio charges for it.

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#96735 - 07/10/17 09:20 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 283
Loc: USA
Isn't the human body something like 99% water? That would be enough to block the signal. I know my Bluetooth in the car gets blocked, if my phone is in my back pocket and I'm sitting.
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio M70Q7 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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