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#95708 - 02/12/16 03:23 PM not happy with these units
Lowman Offline
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Registered: 02/04/16
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I bought two of these blue tooth units from Outlaw on the assumption they would be quality units since my Preamp from Outlaw is very nice. I have many many connection problems with these units while other bluetooth devices in the same room do not have this issue. I spoke to Outlaw and they were willing to have a look at the units to see if there was something wrong. I was all set to send one in for repair...but I hooked my Avantree Roxa bluetooth receiver to the powered speakers the BRT-100 was hooked to.....and noticed an immediate improvement in sound. I didn't think sound quality would be noticeable between bluetooth devices. It was very noticeable...and the connection problems disappeared as well. I have decided to not send these in for repair...as I feel they are just junk, relabeled from some other company units.

I don't know if I can trust Outlaw again for another purchase.

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#95710 - 02/14/16 10:53 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
butchgo Offline
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Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 365
Loc: Beautiful Eastern Washington
That's odd.
I have two of them, one at home and one at work, and I have never had any connection problems of any kind.
Maybe there is something else interfering with the signal?????
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Epson 3500 3D projector
115" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 976 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for center & surround duty
2- Emotiva XPA-1Ls for L/R
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for deck
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Outlaw LCR (Snell Labs) for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XL L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Emotiva UOM-6.2 for the deck
Technics SL-1100AC w/ Ortofon 2M Blue cart
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#95714 - 02/16/16 11:30 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Outlaw Ben Offline

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Registered: 10/31/13
Posts: 240
It is too bad you feel that way. They are not another companies relabeled product. To have one unit with problems, never mind two, is rare. Our offer to have one unit sent in for evaluation still stands; if we verify a problem, we will make sure you are taken care of with both BTR-100s.

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#95718 - 02/16/16 05:05 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
There are many things that can interfere with a bluetooth signal. Here is a link which gives some ideas of what can interfere and how it can be remedied. It is geared towards Apple stuff but it still applies. We all use so many devices these days that can cause interference it is hard to say which ones may be a problem. I would definitely send a unit into Outlaw and let them take a look at it.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201542
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95719 - 02/16/16 05:16 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Here is a more in depth description of devices which can cause intererence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2.4_GHz_radio_use
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95720 - 02/17/16 10:37 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 276
Loc: USA
Thanks Xenonman. The 2.4 GHz bandwidth is definitely getting crowded.
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sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio E70U-D3 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#95727 - 02/17/16 09:18 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Years ago my microwave would really interfere with my cordless phone because both were 2.4 Ghz.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#95729 - 02/18/16 03:36 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 276
Loc: USA
I was not aware of the "spread-spectrum" technique that some of these cordless phones and other devices use.
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio E70U-D3 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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#95732 - 02/20/16 10:42 AM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Helson]
EEman Offline
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Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 514
Loc: Canton, MI
The spread spectrum technique actually increases the noise immunity of the signal because, as the name implies, the power is spread over a wider frequency range. To get the signal back you can use a technique like matched filtering which puts the signal back together.

However these are low power devices and if some source, say a leaky microwave, is outputting a large (relatively speaking) amount of power then you can saturate the low noise amp on the receiver and cause signal degradation.
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LG 65" OLED
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#95733 - 02/21/16 01:16 PM Re: not happy with these units [Re: Lowman]
Helson Offline
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Registered: 03/21/12
Posts: 276
Loc: USA
So, if you're using some devices with spread spectrum technique, and other devices that don't employ this type, the devices that don't, end up being more prone to interference?
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Main HT <> 976 <> 7200 <> Ultra-X12 <> sapphire ST2 mkII RF/LF <> sapphire SC center
sapphire ST2 mkII SBR/SBL <> sapphire SS SR/SL <> Verizon/DVR <> Vizio E70U-D3 <> Oppo UDP-203 <> Amazon 4k Fire TV

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