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#93165 - 05/01/13 10:49 AM Model 7700
sygmaman Offline
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Registered: 05/01/13
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First off let me say I know nothing about amps,except I am in the market for one if I will benefit from one..I replaced everything except speakers and added more of those.
I have a pioneer sc-63,I think it's 120 or125 watts,2 MK 200 watt subs,MK s-125 l/c/r,MK ss-150 for surround and have ordered MK s-150 for l/c/r and putting other speakers elsewhere.I am looking at the 7700 and any feedback or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance for your comments.

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#93172 - 05/01/13 05:59 PM Re: Model 7700 [Re: sygmaman]
XenonMan Offline
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Since the SC-63 uses a switching amp rated at 125 watts/channel it should be more than capable of driving those speakers to extreme levels. Comparing switching amplifiers to the analog class A/AB amps is not something I am well versed in but It would seem that the switching amp is more efficient in the use of power but if required to provide 125 watts to all channels at the same time continuously it might have some problems. Assuming the SC-63 can supply continuous power at 125 watts then the actual difference in sound pressure level compared to the 7700 is only about 1-2 db which is not very significant.
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#93174 - 05/01/13 11:11 PM Re: Model 7700 [Re: sygmaman]
EEman Offline
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My personal opinion is that it's pretty much a wash.

A class AB amp uses transistors in a push-pull configuration where they are biased in the active region except for the cross-over region which presents it's own unique design challenges.

Class D amps typically use FETs that are either on or off and then uses a reactive filter on the digital waveform to "smooth" it back out into analog.

In the class AB amp the power is dissipated by the transistors. In the class D amp power is primarily dissipated by the filter, although some power is dissipated through the RDS(on) of the FET. The class D is more efficient because the filter can be implemented using reactive components that dissipate power relative to their effective series resistance (ESR) which is comparatively low compared to the linear transistor characteristics of the class AB transistor.

But as far as sonic performance goes, I don't see a reason why a well designed class D amplifier can't be as good as a well designed class AB amplifier although one may need a bigger power supply for the AB. As an extreme example consider an amp that is 50% efficient. For 100 watts out your power supply has to provide 200 watts in. A 100% efficient amp (no such thing) would require 100 watts in to provide 100 watts out. The performance of the amps could be the same although, obviously, the performance of the power supplies is vastly different.

So to me the Pioneer claim that they are "better" really boils down to the fact that they could design a less powerful and thus less expensive power supply.

As has been mentioned many times in this forum: Try it both ways and let your ears decide.

Sorry to go all electrical engineer on y'all, but that's who I am...

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#93180 - 05/02/13 12:48 PM Re: Model 7700 [Re: sygmaman]
XenonMan Offline
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Thanks for the much better explanation EEMAN. Sometimes it is good to go all engineer to explain the facts.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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