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#90540 - 06/07/12 11:17 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: WWP3]
Ritz2 Offline
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Nice straw man.

Check the gallery photos of all the Outlaw products and let me know how many have the UL logo on the back panels.

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#90547 - 06/08/12 08:40 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: Ritz2]
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Shall I save you the trouble?

How many have the CE mark?

LOL





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#90548 - 06/08/12 09:56 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: Ritz2]
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I just checked the photo of the 7125, an amp I own. The photo displays no markings at all, and I suspect that these photos may be prototype or photo shopped or something, because my amp does indeed have the CSA marking, which is an actual lab etc like UL.

The point is not whether or not a product has the CE marking. If they are sold in the EU then they need that. But if they are mainly sold in the US as Emotiva is, then they should have a UL or CSA too. I have heard of a few Emotiva products that caught fire in the home(reported on their forums) and I ask you, would the house insurance company cover a fire or smoke damage in a home where the electronic component that was the cause did not have some sort of North American seal on it? The insurance companies I've dealt with usually try to weedle out of covering you whenever it is possible.

Just saying, LOL!
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#90549 - 06/08/12 10:05 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: S. Sharkey]
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I say LOL that you're now trying to wiggle out of your original point...that Outlaw was "UL listed" while Emo was somehow shirking their duties by meeting CE certification specs. I don't own any Outlaw products anymore (other than an LFM-1) so I can't check my old 990 or 755 and I have never owned any Emo products so I can't understand why you continue to imply that I've got some sort of bias. Your point is laughable since I've shown that other major names in the industry don't bother with UL listing some/all of their products as well. And it would appear that a number of Outlaw products aren't listed (UL OR CE!!) either. If you find an actual issue, please feel free to share, but this was a pure straw man....doubly amusing since you claim to own no Outlaw products. *shrug*

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#90550 - 06/08/12 10:42 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: Ritz2]
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FWIW - My Outlaw 990 (along with all non-Outlaw equipment that I looked at) has a UL logo on the the back.

My Outlaw 750 has a City of Los Angeles Department of Building Safety logo. I assume that since ATI equipment is manufactured in the County of Los Angeles that the LAETL is the closest NRTL.

Finally and not suprisingly my two made in China Outlaw products the RR2150 and LFM-Compact do not show any indication of any agency's approval (note I did not look at the bottom of either unit). I would be willing to bet that the 978 will not contain any approvals either.
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#90552 - 06/09/12 11:52 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: 73Bruin]
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I might understand how a multi-channel / powerhouse type amp could potentially overheat to the point of creating a fire hazard under unusual circumstances, but it seem a stretch for modern A/V processor to ever run hot enough to present a fire hazard without throwing MAJOR error well before it was extremely obvious...

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#90553 - 06/09/12 01:03 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: renov8r]
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I don't think I have ever based a decision on which piece of equipment to buy based on the UL listing on the back. I can tell you my wifes hair dryer and curling iron are UL listed but my audio equipment may or may not be.
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APC H15 Power Conditioner

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Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


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#90555 - 06/09/12 02:35 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: XenonMan]
Ritz2 Offline
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Originally Posted By: XenonMan
I don't think I have ever based a decision on which piece of equipment to buy based on the UL listing on the back. I can tell you my wifes hair dryer and curling iron are UL listed but my audio equipment may or may not be.


Agreed. It was a complete red herring from the poster that brought it up before he realized that all of outlaw's gear wasn't labeled either. LOL

I don't think I've ever based an electronic device purchase of any sort on whether or not there was a UL label on it, and I was an electrical engineering major (but not a practicing engineer).

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#90559 - 06/09/12 03:40 PM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: 73Bruin]
S. Sharkey Offline
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Originally Posted By: 73Bruin
FWIW - My Outlaw 990 (along with all non-Outlaw equipment that I looked at) has a UL logo on the the back.

My Outlaw 750 has a City of Los Angeles Department of Building Safety logo. I assume that since ATI equipment is manufactured in the County of Los Angeles that the LAETL is the closest NRTL.

Finally and not suprisingly my two made in China Outlaw products the RR2150 and LFM-Compact do not show any indication of any agency's approval (note I did not look at the bottom of either unit). I would be willing to bet that the 978 will not contain any approvals either.


If Outlaw has products that don't have N.A. Seals, then I think that's wrong. Apparently it's not a big deal for some. Suit yourself I guess (shrug).
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#90565 - 06/10/12 08:22 AM Re: 978 Release Date [Re: S. Sharkey]
XenonMan Offline
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Wrong in what way? What makes the UL rating valuable enough to pay more money for it.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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