#90509 - 06/06/12 01:23 PM
Transformer Buzz
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 09/15/11
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Loc: New Jersey
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My 7125 emits a mechanical buzz, presumably from its power transformer, when my TV (Panasonic TC-P65VT50) is on. The buzz varies in level depending mainly on the brightness of the image at the moment, but it can be clearly audible at 15 feet if the soundtrack is fairly quiet at the time or off. The most interesting thing about this is that it occurs even if the TV is not connected to anything other than AC. I can disconnect all cables from the TV, run slides from a USB stick, turn on the amp, and the amp will buzz. (The Model 2200 I use as a subwoofer amp does the same, but it's behind a door, so its buzz is not really noticeable unless I open the door and listen for it.) Anyone have any ideas as to what might be causing this or how I can eliminate, or at least reduce, the buzz?
Thanks.
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#90512 - 06/06/12 04:24 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: MDRiggs]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 120
Loc: Bismarck, ND
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Are you sure that it is not from the Plasma TV itself? I have a 60" Pioneer Plasma that has an audible buzz from 15'. Same thing, if the screen is brighter, the buzz is more pronounced.
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#90515 - 06/06/12 06:49 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: ndskurfer]
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 09/15/11
Posts: 9
Loc: New Jersey
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That's what I thought initially, but it's definitely from the amp. The TV does buzz a little on its own, but this is a separate issue.
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#90518 - 06/06/12 09:53 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: MDRiggs]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 78
Loc: Canada
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Are the TV and amp on the same circuit? Do you have any sort of surge protection? If so, does it islotate each component from another?
Try running an extension cord from the wall plug of another circuit and see if the noise stops. It sounds kind of like the TV is putting noise on the circuit. Also, is there any lighting on that same circuit? Sometimes dimmers can be noisy.
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#90520 - 06/07/12 12:34 AM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: S. Sharkey]
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Gunslinger
Registered: 06/09/11
Posts: 223
Loc: Vancouver, Canada
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I am with Sharkey on this. It definitely sounds like your tv is the culprit. Again....any surge protection or conditioning? Can you run the system with music or a movie for an audio only test? That is disconnect your tv from the system completely. First the power and then remove any interconnects like HDMI and cable.
Was the buzz happening while you had your equipment or did it just suddenly begin?
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#90526 - 06/07/12 09:45 AM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: beyond 1000]
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Desperado
Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 514
Loc: Canton, MI
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Is the buzz 60 Hz-which may indicate that you have a ground loop? Or is it a different frequency which indicates soemthing else?
There's basically two types of noise that could cause this: conductive and radiated. The first goes through the cables the second through the air. Can you move your amp? If you move it around without changing the cabling and the buzz changes volume then your problem is probably radiated noise. If it stays the same no matter where you move it, the noise is probably getting in through the wires. Maybe work with the 2200 as it's lighter and has fewer connections.
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#90528 - 06/07/12 12:59 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: EEman]
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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I would say it is a problem with the TV backfeeding a dirty signal to the pre-pro then affecting the 7125. Does the noise occur with the TV unplugged and disconnected fron the system?
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#90529 - 06/07/12 01:05 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: XenonMan]
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Desperado
Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
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Try swapping the HDMI port to an alternate input or change out the cable and see if that helps. It does sound like a ground loop hum in the video portion of the TV is affecting the sound. Make sure all of the components connected to the TV and the Amp share a good common ground. If there is a delta between the ground references then the hum will occur.
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#90556 - 06/09/12 03:07 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: S. Sharkey]
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 09/15/11
Posts: 9
Loc: New Jersey
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Are the TV and amp on the same circuit? Do you have any sort of surge protection? If so, does it islotate each component from another? Yes, yes, and yes. Try running an extension cord from the wall plug of another circuit and see if the noise stops. It sounds kind of like the TV is putting noise on the circuit. I did this on advice of Outlaw tech support, and it does reduce the effect significantly, although it does not eliminate it entirely. The tech's opinion was that the buzz is a consequence of voltage sag on the line, which is plausible, as the TV can draw widely varying, and sometimes very high, currents. I doubt it's noise feeding back through the AC line, as then I would expect it to find it's way through via other components, which doesn't seem to be happening.
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#90557 - 06/09/12 03:10 PM
Re: Transformer Buzz
[Re: beyond 1000]
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Deputy Gunslinger
Registered: 09/15/11
Posts: 9
Loc: New Jersey
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Can you run the system with music or a movie for an audio only test? That is disconnect your tv from the system completely. First the power and then remove any interconnects like HDMI and cable. Did this early on. The only circumstance in which the buzz occurs is when the TV is on, and the TV doesn't have to be connected to anything other than the power socket -- removal or addition of other connections makes no difference. Was the buzz happening while you had your equipment or did it just suddenly begin? Started when the TV was installed.
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