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#90322 - 05/12/12 04:47 AM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: renov8r]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
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after some reading i decided that i will go for something better than audyssey xt32 pro. outlaw 978 isn't a alternative then. unless trinnov will be good/fully implemented in 998 that won't be a alternative either. the quality of the room correction is more important than everything else together in a prepro. i am willing to spend up to about $5000 for a prepro that's really fits me, i will just have to find/wait for it.
-at least 20 mic measurements should be possible.
-so much as possible should be tweakable
-a high quality calibrated mic should be included from start. anthem is a precursor here.
-i want correction down to about 10hz, not having to have additional correction for the sub in this area would be nice.
-there is other standards than hdmi. the effective bitrate of hdmi 1.4a is only 8.16 Gbps, dp 1.2 offers 17.26Gbps which is enough for 3840*2160p60 with 30 bit total colour depth. almost all prepros and receivers seams to have issues with hdmi, audio dropouts, etc.
-good dacs is of course a must, but good adc is also valuable, especially if it's gonna have included phono stage. since cd:s is a victim of loundness war vinyl often is the only alternetive.

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#90323 - 05/12/12 01:25 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: anjora]
S. Sharkey Offline
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Registered: 03/15/12
Posts: 78
Loc: Canada
Well, I would suggest that you have a very short short list. Is there even anything on it at this point?
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#90324 - 05/12/12 03:41 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: S. Sharkey]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
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the only real must have is sound quality, for good sound you need to have stuff like good room correction. video processing is good to have but i am note sure if i will ever find a prepro that fit my needs. i might have to get a separate unit for video processing. i will have to consider separate video processing unit and have a audio only unit.




Edited by anjora (05/12/12 03:42 PM)

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#90325 - 05/12/12 05:35 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: anjora]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
I would disagree that the room correction is the most important feature. It actually is more of a convenience and will not work well in all rooms. Overall basic SQ is more important than what room correction does. Without high quality circuitry up front the RC will be garbage in garbage out.
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#90327 - 05/13/12 12:42 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: XenonMan]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
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correction is needed the most in lover frequencies. at high frequencies it's hard to get correct data, often included mics is very cheap and it's natural that more harm than good will be done, you might not be able to tweak a single thing either. correction up to higher frequencies also requires more dsp power for equal result in lover frequencies, becuase of this anthem prepros as default limits the correction to <5khz.

both arc and audyssey pro is way to limited in tweak ability. a good room correction gives pre-set values based on measurements but let the user do how change settings like where equalization will be done and how much. Adam may want correction for the sub 5hz...100hz and fronts 50hz...3000hz but while Eva may have mains doing all the bass and want correction 40hz...1000hz. since every sub is different its important that the user has full control. sub correction below 20hz is important for me since i will use sealed subs with some 15+inch drivers.

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#90328 - 05/13/12 10:11 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: anjora]
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
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Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Just do the corrections manually then you are guaranteed success.
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Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#90329 - 05/13/12 11:25 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: XenonMan]
twistybox Offline
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Registered: 03/30/10
Posts: 41
Anjora, unfortunately you can decide to spend $10k on a pre-pro and you still won't find what you're looking for. No one makes the product you described at any price. And it's doubtful anyone will do so anytime soon. I would not hold my breath to see DP (Display Port) on a pre-pro. It doesn't make any sense to do so since that standard has absolutely no traction in the theater space.

Room correction is a form of automation to manipulate settings that should be able to also be manually tweaked. You don't need that automation to achieve great results.

Honestly, the 978 sounds like a great product, easily besting, on paper, products from others costing 5x the price.

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#90330 - 05/14/12 03:41 AM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: twistybox]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
Posts: 22
As i wrote earlier i will have to consider stand alone video processing, this will add cost but money isn't my issue. But we don't know yet, if 4k becomes standard then displayport may become the new standard. This is much about the next gen consoles. As for 4k movies we simply have to wait for something much better than bluray(up to 10 TB). I am a little sceptical against hdmi 1.4a, it seams to be more troubles than benefits over 1.3 and the bitrate is still inferior to other standards.

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2008/02/19/46464.aspx


Edited by anjora (05/14/12 04:15 AM)

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#90331 - 05/14/12 04:34 AM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: anjora]
happy2 Offline
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Registered: 05/06/10
Posts: 21
Loc: NH
There is a unit that has great sound quality & fabulous room correction: ADA Rhapsody Mark IV/Trinnov TEQ-12. Unfortunately we are talking $40,000 MRSP !!!

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#90332 - 05/14/12 09:46 AM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: happy2]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
Posts: 22
$40k is about twice what i am willing to spend for the entire system. i think 1/3 for electronics and 2/3 for speakers, subwoofer, room threatment is a good allocation.

i am sure outlaw 978 will be a good example of that good electronics doesn't have to cost a fortune. i doubt it is that easy to hear difference between dacs but the cost of these chips is generally very low and maby only 1% of the cost for the entire system. still even the best dac ships has lover SNR than 24bits(144dB), ess sabre chips seams to be pretty close 24bit performance.

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