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#90301 - 05/10/12 12:00 AM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: beyond 1000]
73Bruin Offline
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Beyond: I certainly agree that 4K HDTV's when they will come out will be specialty items selling at a very profitable price point for the manufacturers and retailers. However, I expect like we have seen with 3D HDTV's they will over time come down in price. This will be especially true if the profit from a lower priced (but still more expensive 4K HDTV), is greater than the profit associated with 4 23" to 32" HDTVs.

What I think could keep 4K HDTV's at bay is OLED with its much higher contrast ratio's and better color. Of course they are starting out at $8K. grin
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Outlaw 976 pre-pro running 5.1 system
Outlaw 750 for Artison Masterpiece LCR and 2 NHT SuperZeros rears
Velodyne Servo FX-1200
LG OLED65C8PUA via HDMI2 to/from 976 HDMI ARC
Roku Ultra
Samsung BD-D5500 BluRay
Amazon FireStick 4K to 976 Aux HDMI input for Amazon Music Ultra

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#90304 - 05/10/12 01:15 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: 73Bruin]
Hank Offline
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"...starting out at $8k." There you go. I'm not going to argue with you, 73Bruin. Beyond and I are stating that the large body of consumers aren't going to pay what a 4K big screen TV will cost for quite a while. And, TV glass fabs weren't built based on a few people buying newest, expensive sets. The fabs were built in anticipation of future sales of higher volumes of flat panel form factor TV's.

Time to move on to another topic.
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#90305 - 05/10/12 03:50 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: Hank]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
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if you are using a tv for gaming on consoles then there is no point of going above even 720p atm, if next gen consoles support higher resulution than 1080p i am sure people will wan't that high res monitors, just as a lot of people got 1080p monitors for ps3/360.. streaming in bluray quality should be possible. a 90 min long video on a dual layer 50GB disc allows a bitrate of 72Mbps, this is fully possible to stream with good broadband.

hdmi can't send 4k with higher refreshrate than 24hz. displayport 1.2 allows 3840*2160, 60hz. to take full benefit of 4k streaming you will need a broadband of about 1GBps(and some way to stream in that quality). i beleave 2560*1440 is becoming standard for pc monitors since apple is pushing out computers with 1440p. most pc users that are serius with their monitors will get a resulution of atleast 1440p and ips panel.

i can just hope hdmi will get dropped in favor of something better, displayport 1.2 seams to be more common than hdmi for good graphic cards some graphic cards doesn't have hdmi at all. it's just time for monitors to have dp 1.2 as well. then companies like outlaw won't have to spend 2 years getting hdmi 1.4a to work good.


Edited by anjora (05/10/12 04:22 PM)

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#90306 - 05/10/12 03:56 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: beyond 1000]
tkntz Offline
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Registered: 11/13/08
Posts: 161
Loc: United States
An interesting article on the WSJ website today addressing the future of cinema. What TV's are eventually produced will need to depend on what source material is produced by the studios. This gives a little insight into what may (or may not) be coming to a theater near you.

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#90310 - 05/10/12 09:57 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: Hank]
73Bruin Offline
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Loc: Torrance, CA USA
Originally Posted By: Hank
"...starting out at $8k." There you go. I'm not going to argue with you, 73Bruin. Beyond and I are stating that the large body of consumers aren't going to pay what a 4K big screen TV will cost for quite a while. And, TV glass fabs weren't built based on a few people buying newest, expensive sets. The fabs were built in anticipation of future sales of higher volumes of flat panel form factor TV's.

Time to move on to another topic.


Sorry but you are the one arguing. I have posted examples of higher prices in the past to explain what I believe to be a rational market moving to lower prices. You keep restating the same thing without any facts to back it up. You remind me of the people who said there wasn't a consumer market for PC when IBM PC's were selling for over 3K in 1982/83.
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Living Room 24x18 open 1/2 flight up to a raised dining room/hall 24x12
Outlaw 976 pre-pro running 5.1 system
Outlaw 750 for Artison Masterpiece LCR and 2 NHT SuperZeros rears
Velodyne Servo FX-1200
LG OLED65C8PUA via HDMI2 to/from 976 HDMI ARC
Roku Ultra
Samsung BD-D5500 BluRay
Amazon FireStick 4K to 976 Aux HDMI input for Amazon Music Ultra

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#90312 - 05/11/12 10:00 AM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: 73Bruin]
Hank Offline
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Loc: Austin, Texas, USA
Quote:
I have posted examples of higher prices in the past to explain what I believe to be a rational market moving to lower prices. You keep restating the same thing without any facts to back it up.

I'm not the only one here stating that your 4k dream is not consumer affordable and will not be for some time to come - simple as that. I'll leave the last word to you and I'm through with this topic.
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#90317 - 05/11/12 12:57 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: Hank]
XenonMan Offline
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When 4k comes out...... it will be overpriced until the cost comes down after Visio starts making them . Once that happens we won't have any content except when Shrek 5 comes out free with the free glasses and seizure medicine.
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Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


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Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
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#90318 - 05/11/12 02:18 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: XenonMan]
anjora Offline
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Registered: 05/06/12
Posts: 22
it's out already. the cost is about $8k atm. i don't think it will take that long time for it to get below $2k(mounts not years). for movies a better format than bluray is required to get good use of it, about 1TB maby, the challenge will be to get it out to the market. the price then need to be somehow affordable. 2160p has the benefit of perfekt scaling. it is 2x*2x of 1080p and 3x*3x of 720p.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/sharp-is-ready-for-intel-s-3840x2160-displays/15560.html#

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#90320 - 05/11/12 06:31 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: anjora]
XenonMan Offline
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There won't be any true content though. Everything will have to be scaled. I for one will wait until the content is available. My OPPO will be in service for a long time.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#90321 - 05/11/12 08:31 PM Re: Feature Suggestions? [Re: XenonMan]
renov8r Offline
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Registered: 11/13/02
Posts: 336
Loc: Illinois
The number of people that are "excited" about anything related to Home Theatre seems to be vanishingly small right now. The blame for this has as much to do with the collapse of traditional brick and mortar showrooms as anything. While I am not going to blame any company for hastening this situation I wonder if a "recommended feature" for the future of not just Outlaw but Home Theatre in general might be RETAIL DISTRIBUTION???

Call me nuts but I have a gut feeling that the handful of retailers with actual functioning showrooms might jump at the chance to offer even a 978 and associated amp for a fair price IF that would also support broadening the potential base of customers AND strenghtening their INSTALLATION / CALIBRATION / INTEGRATION business....

Crazy?!?

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