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#89407 - 02/14/12 01:44 PM Re: "Price point..." [Re: rubbersoul]
renov8r Offline
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Registered: 11/13/02
Posts: 336
Loc: Illinois

If the 978 comes out with a "list price" of $2600 it will redefine what "epic fail" means.

Keeping in mind that the $2600 Onkyo/Integra unit(s) would give you about $1000 of "buying power" IF the 978 comes out at its previously targeted point -- that would allow you to get AT LEAST the Outlaw 7 x 125 Watt Power Amplifier along with the 978 as part of package, of course if you believe that receivers with that sort of power "rating" are going to be able to deliver even 5 ch of juice (let alone 7...) you have not read the same reviews I have nor heard the units in real world conditions...

Fact is, the crop of HDMI 1.4a processors is still pretty thin, ESPECIALLY at the target price of the current 7005...

Originally Posted By: rubbersoul
... I just cannot figure out how Outlaw expects to kept the attention of even the most loyal customers.
... there are many new processors out there that offer a lot more than what the 978 seems to be offering and the prices are in the same ballpark as what I expect Outlaw's 978 to be.
I think the 978 might be outdated before it even gets out of the gate competing against other processors for accolades that people want to hear and are looking for that in the market.
My friend just purchased the Integra DHC 80.3/DTA 70.1 combo a very impressive sounding couple. I was considering to pull the trigger on both of these pieces but the price of $4600 kepts me on the fence. Then I was toying with the idea of buying the processor alone ($2600) and adding a new amp sometime in the future but for financial reasons I will take a back seat on any new additions to my home theater...

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#89409 - 02/14/12 02:31 PM Re: "Price point..." [Re: renov8r]
Ritz2 Offline
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Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 414
Loc: Virginia
The Denon unit I referenced above has been on store shelves since last summer @ $1099, has done well in reviews and offers HDMI 1.4a. The only thing the 978 has over it in terms of features is balanced outputs, while the Denon has quite a few features that have become common that are lacking on the (still unreleased) 978. That would leave $1500 to spend on an external amp with a little more gusto than 7125...perhaps the 7500. Wonder why Outlaw wouldn't sell this unit instead of the Marantz 7005 since both come from the same OEM partner? That leaves a lot more money on the table to buy a quality amp...albeit at the expense of getting a receiver made in China (sigh).

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#89415 - 02/14/12 08:38 PM Re: "Price point..." [Re: Ritz2]
jacket_fan Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/14/02
Posts: 137
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Not fact but conjecture:

1. Gonk has gone AWOL. Reason: he is in full beta test mode putting the 978 through its paces.
2. Outlaw has once again paid the price for relying on offshore support. Reason: Cost avoidance.
3. Bringing a processor to market is a complex development process. Reason: Look at Lexicon, they have yet to bring their processor to market due to a myriad of problems.
4. Reminds me of waiting on the 950, 10 years ago. Reason: deleted

I am pulling for Outlaw. And hoping that someday they will build more products domestically so Ritz2 and I will be the first in line.

I project that by June all the bugs will be worked out on the 978 ant it will be shipping. Not sure how late that makes it to market, (or how late the 950 was versus the original projected date) but bet that it is a great bang for the buck processor.

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