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#88511 - 11/24/11 04:30 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: Logan Robertson]
Logan Robertson Offline
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Next time please add the praise for the DSX system also that was in the same review. Not just it's minor limitations and flaws.
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#88512 - 11/24/11 04:56 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: Logan Robertson]
Logan Robertson Offline
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Your brain without reflections doesn't know whether a speaker is 10 ft away like u say or a foot away. Hence the necessity for real first reflection treatments on all walls to be most effective.
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#88525 - 11/25/11 04:55 AM Re: How about the 998? [Re: Logan Robertson]
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Originally Posted By: Logan Robertson
You quoted one of the very few things DSX is not good at reproducing.
I quoted a description of what DSX processing sounds like, turning a single voice into a "chorus effect". Not saying it's good or bad, not telling you to like it or not, just pointing out what the processing does.
Originally Posted By: Logan Robertson
Not many movies have the voice of god effect.
The voice of god effect that Brent Butterworth described is simply dialogue that's been steered into the L/R channels, which happens on many Pixar films when characters move across the screen. The effect may be easier to hear on vocals, but it will happen to other sounds as well, whether it is drum whacks that panned across the soundstage or a car that drives from left to right. So it doesn't matter how many movies have the voice of god (vocals in the L/R channels), because DSX will create the same effect with any sounds that are in those channels.
Originally Posted By: Logan Robertson
Not you who has no experience with it and discredits everything it claims to be able to do
I have experience with it and so can anyone else. For around $1k, you can buy a used Onkyo 1009 from a retailer with a solid 30-day return policy, like Amazon. The 9 amp channels built-in allow you connect heights and wides. You can then instantly compare DSX to PLIIz to Neo:X on a system that you are familiar with (your system) in a room that you know well (your room) using as much material as you want (including revealing test tracks) over the course of a few weeks. Aside from the cost of return shipping, there's no reason anyone else can't do the same comparison I did.
Originally Posted By: Logan Robertson
You sound very unintelligent to me.
Still resorting to ad hominem attacks. If someone has a different opinion of DSX than you, why do you take it so personally?
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#88569 - 11/26/11 03:00 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: sdurani]
Paul J. Stiles Offline
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Children!

Stop this bickering or go to your rooms NOW!!!
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#88755 - 12/13/11 10:13 AM Re: How about the 998? [Re: Paul J. Stiles]
Dave K. Offline
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Why are we discussing DSX at such great length in a thread about the Outlaw 998? Did I miss an announcement somewhere that Outlaw may be considering abandoning Trinnov and go DSX [exclusively] instead?

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#88763 - 12/13/11 03:48 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: Dave K.]
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As far as I know, the only reason DSX came up is the use of Audyssey MultEQ on the Model 978. I haven't seen anything from Outlaw that would suggest plans for inclusion of DSX in either product.
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#88767 - 12/13/11 05:37 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: gonk]
tkntz Offline
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Registered: 11/13/08
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Originally Posted By: gonk
As far as I know, the only reason DSX came up is the use of Audyssey MultEQ on the Model 978. I haven't seen anything from Outlaw that would suggest plans for inclusion of DSX in either product.

Welcome back Gonk!

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#88771 - 12/13/11 10:16 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: tkntz]
GaryB Offline
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In case you missed it and in light of our previous musings, you might find this thread interesting. smile

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#88875 - 12/30/11 03:45 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: GaryB]
tkntz Offline
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Originally Posted By: GaryB
In case you missed it and in light of our previous musings, you might find this thread interesting. smile

Just saw this post. I would say that sounds like a lawyer saying, "I can neither conform nor deny that." In other words...yes?

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#88876 - 12/30/11 06:07 PM Re: How about the 998? [Re: tkntz]
GaryB Offline
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Originally Posted By: tkntz
In other words...yes?

I would bet money on it. Were he not beta-testing, I suspect he would simply have said so.

Btw, I think you meant "confirm". wink

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