I'm looking to pick up the BDP-93 as soon as it's released and even though it has dual HDMI outputs for 3D if you're using it with the Outlaw 990 you will still need to use the analog 5.1/7.1 outputs for BD (and probably would want to for Dvds) correct?

Currently I'm running my Samsung 6900 (3D BD) directly to my 3D Samsung plasma via HDMI and the analog 5.1 outputs to the 990 for BD (optical for Dvds) so I'm assuming this would be the same with the 93 although I'd want to use 5.1 for both.

I've read about the features for the BDP-93 but does anyone foresee it being different enough (besides 3D & streaming) from the BDP-83 that you couldn't use Gonk's Setup guide for the 990/83?

The details available for the BDP-93 are still scarce. I would suspect that there will be some setup differences resulting from the dual HDMI outputs, but the player should connect to a Model 990 in much the same way as the BDP-83. For specifics, we'll just have to wait and see - but I can probably arrange to develop a similar setup guide for the BDP-93 to cover any different nuances with the BDP-93 once we have a BDP-93 manual.

I used the 83 with my 990 for awhile and it was excellent. I have it connected to my 886 now but it still is fabulous. It has a few more connections but it will still connect to the 990 for audio perfectly. You could then use the DVI connection with an adapter or go direct to the display for 3D video.

Okay thanks!

I will be posting again here when the Oppo 93 is released so I can get your help Gonk in hooking it up to my 990 but in the meantime I plan on giving my Samsung BD-C6900 http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads/BD-C6900/XAA to my son so I have some questions.

He doesn't have a surround receiver or A/V processor but rather the Outlaw RR2150 used with pretty good speakers (about $1500), oppo BDP-80, 50" Plasma in a 2-channel system. It's used in a smaller room and actually sounds really good whether it be playing cds or dvds all audio is ran through the 2150 so it is all analog.

Since the 2150 doesn't include digital inputs (HDMI/Optical) would you still be able to take advantage of the higher quality analog 7.1 True HD outputs of the Samsung BD by connecting only the front R/L outputs to stereo inputs of the 2150? Or would you need to use the regular analog R/L stereo outputs of the Samsung BD?

I'm trying to get an idea if it's possible you could gain any better audio quality with a BD player hooked up to the Outlaw 2150 compared to a dvd player (his BDP-80)?

I should be able to offer a few thoughts on the BDP-93 once it's available...

The system itself is stereo, so whatever you do you'll need to get to a downmixed stereo output from the player. If you use the left and right channels of the 7.1 analog output, you'll need to set the player to downmix to stereo - otherwise, the center, surround, and LFE channels will be lost. The stereo output should always get a downmixed signal - the Samsung manual doesn't seem to want to bother to make that explicit, but it should be happening and there's a downmix setting (page 37 of the manual) that doesn't appear to have an "off" setting, making me think it may determine what gets sent to the stereo output. For the RR2150, I'd prefer "Normal Stereo". The left/right portion of the 7.1 output will only get a downmixed signal if you set the player up for that. I can't tell from the manual, but I think you can set the center, surrounds, back surrounds, and sub to "Off" in the Speaker Setting menu, which should create a stereo downmix from the 7.1 analog output (fronts would need to be set to "Large"). Frankly, the stereo output is probably easier in this scenario. Sound quality should be basically the same, although I don't know what DAC's they're using for each output. On the BDP-83, for example, OPPO used a somewhat better chip and analog design for the stereo output, so folks tend to gravitate to that output when using that player in a setup such as this.

Well we'll just use normal stereo then was hoping the audio quality would be better using the Samsung BD via 2-channel but heck it might not even be as good as the Oppo 80 (I certainly hope that's not the case).

Looking forward to your thought on the BDP-93!

The BDP-80's analog section isn't as good as the BDP-83's (which is really quite good), but it's still on par with just about any other mass-market BD player. The 80's analog section is actually descended from the DV-983H's analog section. I don't know if Samsung did something special with that particular player, but unless analog performance was one of the BD-C6900's major selling points I wouldn't be surprised if the BDP-80 compares well with or even beats the Samsung.

I'm with Gonk on this one. Is there an overriding reason to not use the BDP-80 as the Blu-ray source for movies and everything else?

Gonk I will be getting a BDP-93 delivered on Sat and the way I understand it there is presently no manual, I have been following the threads on the AVS Forum but some of the conversation is a little over my head.

I assume I will still need to run the video via HDMI out of the 93 into my Samsung 3D Plasma and then use the 5.1 outputs of the 93 into the 990 like I'm currently doing with my Samsung BD, it's too bad I won't be able to take advantage of the dual HDMI outputs.

The setup process of the 93 is what I'm a little worried about not knowing which option to select during the setup. Do you know enough about the 93 yet to provide a guide or tips or should I just try to follow your Setup guide for the 990 and 83 as much as possible. The 93 has more options so I realize it won't be the same as the 83 but I would like to get the major settings right.

The BDP-93 has a quick setup wizard just like the BDP-83 did. Use HDMI1 to connect to your 3D plasma, connect the multichannel analog to the Model 990, select "HDMI1" for the video priority, select 1080p for the output resolution (assuming your panel will take 1080p), select "compatible" audio, and you should be all set. Once that's all done, there are a few things you can check in the player's setup menu.

This page is still a good guide. There are a few differences. First, secondary audio can be set to "on" now without any harm (the player has the processing power to decode lossless and mix in secondary audio). I'd set the LPCM rate to "192k" based on some recent discussion among the beta testers. Also, the speaker setup screen now has an option for test tones, but in your case it doesn't matter - set it up just the same way you did with the BDP-83 (all speakers large) since you're using the Model 990.

Many thanks Gonk that should get me started!

Gonk have some questions for you with the BDP-93 Setup followed everything I could on your 990/83 guide:

Playback Setup: I'm not doing SACD so do I leave everything in this menu to default?

Video Setup:
Picture Adjustment - just leave this alone?
1080p24 Output - default is set to Off is this ok?
HDMI Options - leave at defaults?
Display Options - leave at defaults?

Audio Processing: crossover default is 80Hz is this ok?

So far I'm impressed great video and audio the only negative is the remote isn't very responsive I'm hoping once I get it programmed to my MX-810 things will improve.

Yes, defaults should all be fine.


I have 1080p24 turned on, but my display also supports 24p. If yours does, I'd enable it. I also disable the sceensaver under Display Options, but that's just me. Also, if you plan to use 3D, you should probably set your screen size. For 2D modes, it isn't really important and you can leave it on the default of 46".


Since you're using the 990, you should have all speakers set to large. Therefore, the crossover isn't actually being used. Doesn't matter what it's set to since it isn't being used.

I believe I have everything set right then there were a few setting options different on the 93 but your 990/83 guide covered a lot. My Samsung PN58C8000 has what's called Cinema Smooth for 1080p24 content but professional reviews have said it causes a loss of black level performance and I've never been able to find out if Samsung has fixed this or not so I've been leaving it off.

I'm assuming if I want to listen to cds then I don't have to change any settings just let her play.

I've generally avoided 24Hz modes that "smooth" the video, which is probably what your Samsung is offering, because they tend to affect the video picture quality. With my Sony TV, I can disable that mode and still send it 24p video - the TV just shows each frame five times.


Yep.

Gonk since I'm using the 93's 5.1 analog outputs (boy do they sound smooth) is there any reason to have an optical connection?

Not particularly. The only time I'd see you potentially using an optical or coaxial output is with DVD's if you had a 7.1 speaker setup and wanted to use PLIIx. You could always set up a spare input with a digital output from the player so you could play around with it, but only if you want to - you can certainly just use the 7.1CH input and not worry about it.

Gotcha thanks!

Since I've had the 93 I've been trying to follow the AVS Pre-Release thread pertaining to questions about using a media server with the 93 but most of it is over my head since I'm not familiar with some of the files they are talking about and have never used a media server before.

I've tried Serviio and it works great with the 93 but doesn't support Wav or Flac files so I need a server to do that, free would be nice but willing to buy if necessary.

1.I've seen mentioned Mezzmo, Twonky, and TVersity which would be best?

2. I backup a lot of my dvds to my hard drive as ISO files and it sure would be nice to stream them to my Samsung Plasma but apparently media servers don't support ISO files unless you buy something like Boxee. Is there any way to watch my ISO files over one of the above servers by somehow converting them to something else and if so how would I do that?

I haven't followed the AVS threads in recent weeks (been busy at work, haven't written up any sort of review either - out of character for me, but maybe after some deadlines get behind me and the holidays are past I'll have a chance to catch up). I have used several different servers over the last year or so. If the ones you mention, I'd recommend TVersity. I have used it with the BDP-83 and BDP-93. It's robust, pretty easy to configure, and the free version gives you all you need.

Gonk

Do you have a good guide on how to set TVersity up. I tried my damnedest and never got it working with an ATI TV Wonder 650. It saw the card but that was about as far as I could get with it.

My forum travels have been pretty spotty over the last couple months, which is probably why I never replied to Bob in this thread about TVersity setup. I'll have to dig back through some stuff to recall how I set TVersity up originally. In the meanwhile, though, I have two other links that are relevant to this thread:

OPPO Digital BDP-93 review

Setup Guide for Outlaw Audio Processors and the BDP-93

I'll probably need to go back and proofread the review tomorrow, but I think it and the setup guides are both presentable enough to post. Enjoy!

Gonk

Don't spend a lot of time on TVersity. Since that post we got FIOS and its DVR. So I don't really need to use a computer for recording anymore. Also got a Roku XDS about 10 days ago, which works very well with Netflix and our 1070.

Oppo 93 ordered and will have it on Wednesday. Netflix been changed to "blu-ray" and some fresh discs on its way to play with.

Thanks for the info Gonk! Very helpful indeed. The setup guide is printed and ready to go!

I think you'll enjoy it!

Yes, it meets or exceeds my expectations. First run last nite was excellent and no problems at all. Even works with my Universal remote without any adjustments. I have to build in for the Netflix with the deletion for Ruku I have been using.

Analog out with the sub gain boost seems to work nice. Have not played with it to see what would happen without but its all working great.

Finally get to play all my SACD and DVD-A discs without the compromise of the old machine.

While Oppo gets nice remarks about packaging I must say its on par with the machines of the past but not as good as Outlaw. They should double box the unit.

Came unharmed so I can't complain.

Nice looking unit. All tests out tonite I might embed it in the cabinet. Behind the tinted doors of my BDI unit they all just fade to black anyway.

I've wondered about the merit of double-boxing their players in the past, but so far their players have all traveled well in single boxes with the dense foam caps they use. I've taken delivery of their players (travel from San Francisco to Memphis) a lot of times while beta testing - easily over a dozen deliveries when you consider hardware changes during testing - and never had an issue. I think one advantage they've had over Outlaw is weight: none of their DVD players were over 10 pounds and their Blu-ray players are not much heavier, while Outlaw ships subs, amps, speakers, receivers, and processors that are larger and heavier - they need the extra layer of cardboard to survive transit. The BDP-95 is the first OPPO player I've encountered that starts to be heavy enough to make me wonder about double-boxing.

Speaking of the BDP-95, I've got a BDP-95 review posted now that folks may find of interest.

Good review and consistant with a conversation we had a few weeks ago. As much as I love my system and happy with it perhaps the 95 was a bit over its pay grade and would not garner the 95's advantages.

Perhaps at a later date I can put some mods into to boost it or in time a new machine will present itself (most likly oppo).

What did I do with the other $500? Did the Bass Shakers in the couches and its been a great upgrade for movie watching.

BDP-93 and BDP-95 owners may want to check out OPPO's site: the two players received a "public beta" firmware update (stable firmware with new features or revisions added prior to inclusion in the production firmware). These include the newer Netflix interface (search function and support for Canadian customers), refinements to DLNA, several other tweaks, and the addition of Vudu support.