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#83159 - 03/29/10 06:43 AM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: Dunedain]
gonk Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dunedain
Well, that must mean that any receiver with this Trinnov system (like the new Sherwood Newcastle R-972 and the upcoming 998), in addition to being able to automatically set the correct trim dB levels for Dolby Digital Reference Level calibration of all your speakers, must also have full range equalizer hardware built into the receiver that can compensate for room interactions that can cause peaks and dips in the frequency response of your speakers at the listening position.

This means you could place the microphone at the listening position, turn on the Trinnov setup routine, leave the room, and when you come back, all speakers, subwoofer included, are now calibrated to Dolby Digital Reference Level and all the speakers are delivering a pretty flat frequency response all across the whole range of frequencies. From your tweeters in your main speakers to your subwoofer. That's pretty impressive, if it actually works that well. smile

Yes, that's correct. The Model 990 already offers the ability to automatically calibrate all speakers' distances and levels to reference, but it doesn't include an EQ. Trinnov should be a significant step forward from that. We've seen receivers and processors with this sort of EQ hardware for a number of years now (Audyssey, MCACC, YPAO, and other systems). Trinnov is supposed to take what other systems offer and take it a step further by both providing a good EQ with spatial re-mapping (compensating for speaker positions that aren't optimal, such as a center channel that's too high or low or surrounds that are not symmetrical).


Edited by gonk (03/29/10 06:44 AM)
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#83162 - 03/29/10 06:55 PM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: gonk]
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From this rather detailed review of the Sherwood Newcastle R-972, it doesn't sound like this Trinnov system works reliably.

Oh and both receivers he got for review, the first one and it's replacement, broke or didnt work right. Makes you wonder why Outlaw would even want a receiver based on this one, even if there weren't all the delays in it's release.

http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=6969

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#83163 - 03/29/10 07:55 PM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: Dunedain]
KOYAAN Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dunedain
From this rather detailed review of the Sherwood Newcastle R-972, it doesn't sound like this Trinnov system works reliably.

Oh and both receivers he got for review, the first one and it's replacement, broke or didnt work right. Makes you wonder why Outlaw would even want a receiver based on this one, even if there weren't all the delays in it's release.

http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=6969

Mabey the problem is more Sherwood than trinnov. The Outlaws feel that this is the best technology going and the haven't missed one so far.
This could be the feature that distinguishes the 998 from the rest of the market. I'm waiting with baited breath.
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#83165 - 03/29/10 10:09 PM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: KOYAAN]
gonk Offline
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If you read the announcement that cancelled the Model 997 and announced the Model 998, they made the following statement:

"With this new product, we will implement Trinnov so that it works the way it is meant to be used - and heard!"

The Model 997 was to be based on the Sherwood R-972, but Outlaw cancelled it because it didn't do what they wanted from it. Was it because the Trinnov implementation didn't achieve what the technology is capable of? Was it due to reliability of hardware samples? Was it due to bugs? I don't know, but Outlaw decided to pursue the Model 997 long before a production sample of the R-972 was available to test-drive.
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#83170 - 03/31/10 09:46 AM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: AGAssarsson]
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Registered: 04/06/06
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Originally Posted By: AGAssarsson
Here is Outlaw's vision of the 998 ... Model 998 Rendering


Why not keep the same face as the existing A/V products? They are far better looking than the RR2150, which is what this rendering resembles. Furthermore, keeping the same 970/990/1070 style face would maintain consistency with the appearance of the various Outlaw amplifiers.

Simply changing the appearance to keep it "fresh" is a poor move when the existing designs are clean and sharp.


RR2150 front view: http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150_gallery1.html

vs.

990 front view: http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/990_gallery1.html
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#83171 - 03/31/10 10:29 AM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: itslow]
tkntz Offline
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Registered: 11/13/08
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I like the idea of a new face. Will the amps be updated to match?

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#83363 - 04/19/10 06:04 AM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: tkntz]
blaineh Offline
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I like the new face too!
The 990 is difficult to use, as it doesn't have nice dedicated source buttons. The tiny litle dots there is, are too close together, and so much you had to use a menu for. If you had the remote handy, this is less of a issue, but When I go to the 980, I don't like having to scroll through stuff to get to the input I need...my wife hates it...

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#83364 - 04/19/10 06:08 AM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: blaineh]
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I know that buttons cost a bit to add, and that's why many go with menus instead. However, we are not talking about a $200 receiver here; and yes, I know the the economy of scale isn't with us. Still, a world class machine needds to be easy to operate, and a well thought out ergonomic panal is one thing I need, please...

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#83368 - 04/19/10 06:20 PM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: blaineh]
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Registered: 06/25/09
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Add my vote to those who like the new face!

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#83369 - 04/19/10 09:02 PM Re: Going, Going, Gone ... [Re: steve_sf]
Animo Offline
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As a 970 owner, I like the old face. I am not big on changing something just for the sake of changing something!


Edited by Animo (04/19/10 09:03 PM)
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