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#82603 - 03/02/10 10:35 PM Very sad situation here
Robert Holloway Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/06
Posts: 41
Loc: SF Cal
I purchased a 990 and the 7700 about 4 years ago

I've waited for about 2 years for the upgrade to the 997

The 990 broke down last year and I had to literally throw it in the garbage and revert to my old Sony ES 9000 pre.

I bought an awesome HDMI switcher (4inputs / 2 outputs) from Monoprice for $67 and it transmits perfect 1080p from blu ray, DVR, PS3 and my Mac Pro to my Sony Pearl projector and onto a 120" screen. But it's a pain with audio and video on different boxes. My girlfriend hates this set up.

I had hoped for a 997 but the reality is that in the world of Consumer electronics delays like this are fatal. I wanted Dolby and DTS MA and HDMI switching integrated.

Sad to say that I will buy a Japanese receiver (Denon) and use it as a preamp for DTS MA and HDMI switching. Amplification will remain with 3 Naim 135's monos driving the front and the Outlaw on the back 2 channels.

I write this with 100% sadness and no malice. I was such a fan frown

Sorry
Rob



Edited by Robert Holloway (03/02/10 10:45 PM)
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Sony Pearl projector
120" 16x9 DaLite Hi Power screen
Outlaw 990 (gone) & 7700
3 Naim 135 amps
Sony Blu Ray
Mac Pro
Sony PS3
3 B&W full range spkrs
4 Kef full range spkrs
2 REL Stentor sub bass units :-)

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#82605 - 03/02/10 11:26 PM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: Robert Holloway]
petemc Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/22/03
Posts: 21
Loc: California, USA
Rob,

Just curious, but why the Denon receiver?
You have power amplification, why are you not going to shoot for a preprocessor?

Pete
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Integra DHC40.1 preprocessor, Outlaw 7100 Power amp, Martin Logan Aeon II front speakers, Axiom LP150 center speaker, Axiom QS8 surround speakers, Outlaw LFM1 Plus subwoofer, Oppo DBP-83 Blu-Ray/SACD/DVD player, AppleTV music/photo server, DirecTV HR20 satellite receiver

Pete

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#82606 - 03/03/10 01:31 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: petemc]
Robert Holloway Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/06
Posts: 41
Loc: SF Cal
Hi Pete

Denon is the current fave based purely on the ability to process DTS MA and DD HD combined with HDMI switching. I reckon I can do this for about $999

I won't be using the amplification of the receiver. Prepro's tend to be far more expensive!

I'm totally open to suggestions - so please let me know if you have ideas.

Thanks
Rob
_________________________
Sony Pearl projector
120" 16x9 DaLite Hi Power screen
Outlaw 990 (gone) & 7700
3 Naim 135 amps
Sony Blu Ray
Mac Pro
Sony PS3
3 B&W full range spkrs
4 Kef full range spkrs
2 REL Stentor sub bass units :-)

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#82607 - 03/03/10 01:37 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: Robert Holloway]
Robert Holloway Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/06
Posts: 41
Loc: SF Cal
Hi Pete

Can you say more about the Integra 40.1?
Just checked their website and other reviews.... looks interesting

Rob
_________________________
Sony Pearl projector
120" 16x9 DaLite Hi Power screen
Outlaw 990 (gone) & 7700
3 Naim 135 amps
Sony Blu Ray
Mac Pro
Sony PS3
3 B&W full range spkrs
4 Kef full range spkrs
2 REL Stentor sub bass units :-)

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#82610 - 03/03/10 08:21 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: Robert Holloway]
K. D. Jenkins Offline
Deputy Gunslinger

Registered: 02/08/10
Posts: 13
Loc: Choctaw Casino Durant, OK
Robert Holloway- the 990 has a five year warranty. Why did you throw it in the trash? Even if you bought it used- the warranty should have been transferable. I have found the folks at Outlaw Audio to be completely trustworthy with service and warranty. This is hard to buy into!
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Living Room:
Denon AVR-4520ci,DBT-3313UDCI, Beta 360 Center, Infinity IL 10 Rears, Infinity Beta 50 Front, Velodyne CT-150 Subwoofer, Theater Solutions 15 in subwoofer, Samsung 67" LED RP TV,
Computer Room:
Denon AVR-3312ci as pre-amp using an Outlaw 770 Amp. Pioneer DV-610-AV , Panasonic DMP-BD77, HTD Level Three Tower speakers Front, HTD Level Three Bookshelf Rear, HTD Level Three Center. 2 each AudioSource PSW112 Subs, Akai RR, 22" LCD Monitor,WD TV, Technics SL-3300 TT with Ortofon X3-MC cartridge and Emotiva XPS-1 phono pre-amp

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#82612 - 03/03/10 08:55 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: K. D. Jenkins]
rubbersoul Offline
Desperado

Registered: 02/27/06
Posts: 383
Loc: folsom, pa.
Just throwing in my two cents here but for the life of me I do not understand why you trashed the 990.
I have the 990/7700 combo and have not had a problem let alone one that would make it a candidate for my local trash pickup.
I purchased my combo back in 2002.
Don't take offense it is your right to do whatever you want but I think you over re-acted...maybe because you wanted to move on with a newer piece of equipment.

I think that you made a rush to judgment concerning the 990.
Sorry for your loss.
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Outlaw 990/7700
Conrad Johnson Premier140 Tube Amplifier
Conrad Johnson 17LS MKll Pre Amp
B&W 803D2’s HTM3S DS7's
HSU Subwoofer
Mitsubishi 6800 Projector
Da-Lite Screen,
Oppo BDP93
Comcast
PS Audio DSD
Stack Variac
Kill-O-Watt
Nakamichi cables Audio 8 cables
Air-Server
Mac-Mini
ROON

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#82616 - 03/03/10 09:29 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: rubbersoul]
XenonMan Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Robert,
Most of the newer AVP/AVRs are capable of decoding all of the formats you desire. The downside so far is that there is not a lot of media out there with the newer formats available. I regret your loss of the 990. What happened to it?

I jumped ship to the Onkyo 886 and am very happy with it. Why would you spend big $$$ on an AVR when you already have a great amp. Most of the lower tier AVRs will not allow you to decouple their amps from the pre-amps. I know the higher end Denons have separate pre-outs but it is a waste and is usually used for a second room HT setup. Sounds like I am trying to talk you off the ledge doesn't it?
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#82638 - 03/04/10 01:37 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: Robert Holloway]
petemc Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/22/03
Posts: 21
Loc: California, USA
Originally Posted By: Robert Holloway
Hi Pete

Can you say more about the Integra 40.1?
Just checked their website and other reviews.... looks interesting

Rob

I am very happy with the Integra, I just sent you a PM with some extra information.

Pete
_________________________
Integra DHC40.1 preprocessor, Outlaw 7100 Power amp, Martin Logan Aeon II front speakers, Axiom LP150 center speaker, Axiom QS8 surround speakers, Outlaw LFM1 Plus subwoofer, Oppo DBP-83 Blu-Ray/SACD/DVD player, AppleTV music/photo server, DirecTV HR20 satellite receiver

Pete

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#82639 - 03/04/10 03:22 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: K. D. Jenkins]
Robert Holloway Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/06
Posts: 41
Loc: SF Cal
Hi there,

I phoned Outlaw and was told that my 990 was out of warranty.

The unit had just stopped working. No idea why.

So I was faced with paying to ship the unit from CA to Outlaw and then pay to get the thing repaired. When I considered that it I was going to replace it anyway and non HDMI units are almost worthless at resale I chucked it.

Hard to do, but a good decision.

The Sony sounds great as always. It's a very fine pre amp. the HDMI switcher from Monoprice works like a charm.

Rob
_________________________
Sony Pearl projector
120" 16x9 DaLite Hi Power screen
Outlaw 990 (gone) & 7700
3 Naim 135 amps
Sony Blu Ray
Mac Pro
Sony PS3
3 B&W full range spkrs
4 Kef full range spkrs
2 REL Stentor sub bass units :-)

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#82640 - 03/04/10 03:27 AM Re: Very sad situation here [Re: XenonMan]
Robert Holloway Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/12/06
Posts: 41
Loc: SF Cal
Originally Posted By: XenonMan
Robert,
Most of the newer AVP/AVRs are capable of decoding all of the formats you desire. The downside so far is that there is not a lot of media out there with the newer formats available. I regret your loss of the 990. What happened to it?

I jumped ship to the Onkyo 886 and am very happy with it. Why would you spend big $$$ on an AVR when you already have a great amp. Most of the lower tier AVRs will not allow you to decouple their amps from the pre-amps. I know the higher end Denons have separate pre-outs but it is a waste and is usually used for a second room HT setup. Sounds like I am trying to talk you off the ledge doesn't it?


here's what I've discovered

I need/want the DTS MA and DD HD processing along with HDMI switching and video up converting.

If there was a preamp for $1200 I'd buy it. I have 4 Naim 135 mono amps, 3 Audiolab Mono amps and the Outlaw 7 channel 9700. I don't need amplification.

I have no brand affinity to Denon, Onkyo or anyone else

Rob

PS - Talking of ships, it's sad that this forum has become a "We're on the Titanic, where should I go discussion" frown






Edited by Robert Holloway (03/04/10 03:28 AM)
_________________________
Sony Pearl projector
120" 16x9 DaLite Hi Power screen
Outlaw 990 (gone) & 7700
3 Naim 135 amps
Sony Blu Ray
Mac Pro
Sony PS3
3 B&W full range spkrs
4 Kef full range spkrs
2 REL Stentor sub bass units :-)

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