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#82194 - 01/24/10 11:30 PM ICE Power Amps
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Is outlaw planning on ICEPower type amps, they could be cheaper and better for some of us...:)

http://www.icepower.bang-olufsen.com/en/solutions/theater/

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#82195 - 01/25/10 12:28 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: sst]
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They've mentioned before that they have been watching the development of this technology, but it's been years ago since it was really discussed.
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#82218 - 01/25/10 08:25 PM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: gonk]
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It will be great to know what they are thinking today, it seems Rotel amps, Pioneer Elite Receivers, Bel Canto, Jeff Rowland...are currently using these..; I believe modules like ASPX1000 offer lot of bang for the buck.

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#83851 - 06/05/10 05:04 PM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: sst]
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We are thinking about this very seriously now

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#83854 - 06/06/10 12:17 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: PeterT]
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That sounds interesting.... Thanks for the heads-up, Peter. I don't really have a need for an amp upgrade, but would be curious to see what Outlaw might come up with in this regard.
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#83867 - 06/08/10 07:06 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: gonk]
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It's been discussed here a few times, but this is the first time anyone from Outlaw has weighed in with any commentary. Seems like this might be a nice little niche for Outlaw to be in if they could be a value player. None of the "big names" are really playing in this space with the exception of Rotel. There are a few smaller audiophile players, but they're all charging a fortune for their products. Solid state class AB "boat anchor" amps aren't going away (much like their tube predecessors), but I think the mainstream is going to migrate to digital amps as component prices fall and efficiency demands from consumers increase.

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#83868 - 06/08/10 07:41 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: Ritz2]
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yes I've heard much on ice amps though I like to see what they can use in the 4/2/1 ohms spectrum
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#83954 - 06/15/10 05:32 PM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: redman6]
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I have a 7 channel system with d-sonic's ICE amps powering an MK150 system and they're excellent. Everyone that watches on this system, which has an 11' wide screen loves the sound, especially my girlfriend. I have been thinking of selling my Adcom GFA7707 for another ICE Amp. Right now I don't have an absolute need, but if I were to buy a 9.2 preamplifier, then that might be the time. I highly recommend listening to an ICE with your favorite speakers if you get a chance.

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#83958 - 06/16/10 07:18 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: Retep]
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Compare something like this:

www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/site/74030/1...d_groupid=18048

to the Outlaw 7700. Planning to audition one of these in the coming months. This is the future.

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#83961 - 06/16/10 01:36 PM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: Ritz2]
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I too think it's the future. My adcom weighs around 80lbs and it's a beast. The d-sonic weighs far less and it consumes far less electricity when idle. Put ICE ampes in a new chassis to go with the 998 and I'd be happy.

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#84113 - 06/25/10 11:19 PM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: Retep]
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well I would wait to see what their top end power will be with the ice amps, as I suspect it will only compare to the high end avr models for output performance when looking at the standpoint of denon, onkyo and Yamaha as a power amp solution i think ice has a long way to come before it competes with 7900 and various emotiva power amps..

the term watch this space rings true for the ice at this point in time..

in the future ICE may become a contender in all ht audio fields though for the moment they are no better or no worse than what's already out there..
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#84116 - 06/26/10 09:13 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: redman6]
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Weren't we just having this conversation in another thread? Mdrconsult made an excellent point about terminology over there. ICE is one manufacturer's approach to class D amplification, but it's not the only hardware solution out there. The basic concept has taken years to evolve, and I agree that it deserves patience as we wait for it to reach a point where it can match class A/B solid state on sonic performance, power output, and cost. I've felt the same way ("watch this space") for quite a few years.

To assume that class D is only ever going to be as good as can be found in receivers, however, seems unlikely. As I've already pointed out, there are class D amps available today that offer plenty of power and good performance (such as the Axiom and Rotel examples I pointed out before). They've already produced something better than the class D products found inside mass market receivers. Also, class A/B surround receivers never were a match for class A/B multichannel power amps, but that was never because of any deficiency in the technology - it was a side effect of the compromises involved in designing multichannel receivers and cramming amps, power supplies, and heat sinks inside an already crowded chassis. Class D may help lessen the difficulties of fitting amps in a receiver, but they don't make them go away. You still need a big power supply to achieve what a separate power can do (rated output with all channels driven, support for low impedance loads, etc.).
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#84117 - 06/26/10 10:12 AM Re: ICE Power Amps [Re: gonk]
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Im in the watching that space camp as well.

Has anyone here played with the T amps?
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