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#79764 - 10/16/09 01:23 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR
gonk Offline
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Good luck with your upgrades. I look forward to hearing what you think of the LCR's.
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#79765 - 10/16/09 04:08 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR
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Like Gonk I'd like to hear what you think about the LCRs. My M&Ks are pretty new but if one of them goes down it is hard to find exact replacement parts. If that were to happen I would definitely look towards the LCRs and it would be great to have your insights on how the LCRs sound versus your old M&Ks. Enjoy!
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#79766 - 10/16/09 04:33 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR
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Registered: 05/15/07
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Loc: So. Calif
I too echo the good luck on your changes and look forward to your impressions of the LCRs. I have been waving a flag about these speakers but look forward to hearing more feedback. They were a welcome change that was also pushed forward for me to free up floor space over large tower speakers. Very curious and hope they pass the 30 day trial for you.
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#79767 - 10/19/09 04:12 AM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR
vangor Offline
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Registered: 01/12/09
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Loc: Boerne, Tx
Are the Outlaw speakers (BLS and LCR) in a different class from other speakers found on the internet... Axiom, Asperion, Emotiva, Etc. There are several Internet speaker companies that offer all kinds of bookshelf and monitor speakers for much less money and everywhere you look you read great things about them... especially Axiom. There has got to be a difference between the Outlaw speaker offerings and the other internet competitors. Axiom is selling there M22's for $470 a pair with free shipping. I also noticed the Outlaw LCR is using a treated paper woofer. I thought paper woofers were used on cheaper speakers. Just curious, it is hard to swallow the $650 price tag on the Outlaw LCR's. Thanks

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#79768 - 10/19/09 12:03 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR
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Speakers can be had in a wide range of prices. Even among internet-direct manufacturers, you can look at the bookshelf offerings out there and find a very wide range of prices The BLS is said to be pretty comparable to Ascend's Sierra 1, which is a really excellent speaker in the same price range. The Onix line (formerly distributed online by AV123, now handled online by a network of small distributors) has bookshelf speakers that range from about $950/pair up to almost $2000/pair. I've heard Axiom's M3 - in fact I'm about to replace a pair that I've been using as side surrounds for a number of years now - and while they are nice enough speakers, they are not as good as the BLS. Having listened to the two, I would say that they could reasonably classified as being in a different class. The M3 has plastic caps on its binding posts, while the BLS has metal caps on the bi-wirable binding posts along with controls for boundary compensation and high frequency adjustment. The upgraded posts are a nice touch. The controls are a really useful tool for room compensation. The BLS and LCR are built in the US (which is going to add cost) using European-made drivers (yes they are treated paper woofers, but that does not mean they are cheap). The LCR's $650 price tag exists for a reason, and personally I found them to be worth it. They have better build quality (including real wood veneer on the ones I bought) and sounded a bit better than the Paradigm Reference speakers (a $600 center and $1200 pair of towers when I bought them in 2001) that I had previously.
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#85333 - 12/24/10 06:40 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR [Re: vangor]
dwmayo1 Offline
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Registered: 12/06/05
Posts: 47
Loc: Buffalo, NY
I am considering selling my B&W's 603S3 Fronts and the LCR60 Center Channel for the Outlaw LCR's fronts and center....after reading some negative reviews of the Outlaw LCR versus the Klisch Reference 82, I have some concerns.

any comments, suggestions?

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#85334 - 12/24/10 09:27 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR [Re: dwmayo1]
XenonMan Offline
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The LCRs are not full range speakers. They will require a sub wooofer to provide the kind of bass you are used to. They will also require stands to get the proper height and are expensive to boot. Are you dis-satisfied with the 603s? You can audition the LCRs for 30 days but if you are looking for full range you may be dissappointed.
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#85335 - 12/25/10 12:11 PM Re: tower speakers vs. Outlaw LCR [Re: XenonMan]
gonk Offline
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Speakers are inherently a matter of personal taste. There are a lot of good speakers on the market, but none of them are going to be right for everyone. I found the Outlaw speakers (Bookshelves and LCR) to be a modest sonic upgrade from Paradigm Studio 60's and Studio CC. The best bet may be to make use of the 30-day trial period so you can listen and judge for yourself.
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