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#78274 - 10/23/08 04:00 AM hum with 7500
rmilewsk Offline
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Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 68
I have been having what appears to be the same hum as in this post

http://ubb.outlawaudio.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/41/t/000156.html

I noticed this hum years ago but since the amp was in an open rack and I was using a RPTV I rarely noticed it.

Now I have a plasma tv and I have moved the amp into a more enclosed rack the sound is much more noticeable. I am certain it has something to do with power or filtering ( all of the components and tv are plugged into a monster power conditioner) as when I plugged my new tv directly into the wall socket the humming completely stopped. I am assuming I need to buy some other power conditioner. But which ones besides the one mentioned in the post above have people found will get rid of this hum?
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#78275 - 10/23/08 03:02 PM Re: hum with 7500
butchgo Offline
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Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 368
Loc: Southern Oregon coast
Does the hum come and go or is it constant?
My 7500 had a hum that would come and go constantly and I bought a Channel Islands Audio XDC-2 AC filter and it completely stopped the hum.
Apparently my problem was with standing DC on the line for some reason.
I didn't have this problem for the first few months and I don't know what changed but this little unit took care of the problem.
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Epson 3500 3D projector
93" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 976 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for LCR & L/R surrounds
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for rear surrounds
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Outlaw LCR (Snell Labs) for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XL L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#78276 - 10/23/08 04:27 PM Re: hum with 7500
Altec Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 334
Quote:
Originally posted by butchgo:

Apparently my problem was with standing DC on the line for some reason.
The "DC" is caused by high amounts of 2nd order harmonic distortion on the AC line. The even harmonic components are asymmetrical, and as such, cause an offset voltage which is like DC.

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#78277 - 10/23/08 05:54 PM Re: hum with 7500
Keta Offline
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Registered: 12/29/02
Posts: 358
Loc: Central VA
Altec what is the best means for removing or minimizing the 2nd order harmonics?

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#78278 - 10/23/08 08:11 PM Re: hum with 7500
Altec Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 334
Quote:
Originally posted by Keta:
Altec what is the best means for removing or minimizing the 2nd order harmonics?
There is no device or filter which will remove low order harmonic distortion from the power line short of regeneration of the AC (and even this has it's problems).

The best way to solve the DC problem is to run the AC hot lead through two back-to-back electrolytic capacitors (negative-to-negative) of around 10,000uF (or more) and about 200VAC rating. I wouldn't try this at home though unless you know what you're doing because these voltages can be hazardous.

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#78279 - 10/24/08 07:08 AM Re: hum with 7500
rmilewsk Offline
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Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 68
The hum definitely comes and goes. It is not constant.
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#78280 - 10/24/08 02:54 PM Re: hum with 7500
butchgo Offline
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Registered: 06/22/07
Posts: 368
Loc: Southern Oregon coast
It sounds exactly like what I had going on.
The Channel Islands AC filter did the trick for me.
It was $300.00 but it was worth it.
You might contact Outlaw because I think they also have an AC filter available.
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Epson 3500 3D projector
93" Carl's Place Flexiwhite DIY screen
Outlaw 976 Pre/Pro
Outlaw 7500 for LCR & L/R surrounds
1- Emotiva Mini X-A100 for rear surrounds
2- Outlaw LFM-1 EX subs
Oppo BDP-105 Blu-ray/DVD/SACD player
Outlaw LCR (Snell Labs) for center channel duty
Tekton Enzo XL L/R
4- Emotiva ERD-1s surround speakers
Monster HTS3600MKII power center

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#78281 - 10/24/08 10:32 PM Re: hum with 7500
FAUguy Offline
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Registered: 12/05/05
Posts: 247
Loc: FL
I have all my A/V gear going through this:

http://www.mitcables.com/?option=com_vir...9&product_id=94

From there, a PowerMax bar is connected to the TV, DVD, VCR, HD/DVR box, and a Rotel bar is connected to the 990, 7500, LFM1Plus, CD player.

I don't get any hum from my 7500, either through the speakers for from the unit it self.

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#78282 - 10/25/08 01:43 AM Re: hum with 7500
XenonMan Offline
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Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
I would try repowering the system from different receptacles in the house via an extension cord to find a circuit which is clean. If nothing improves try looking for a florescent light or other device which might be causing the hum. Since it comes and goes I would start with the house circuits then the system.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#78283 - 11/16/08 06:51 AM Re: hum with 7500
rmilewsk Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 03/22/06
Posts: 68
I bought the Channel Islands Audio XDC-2 AC filter and that completely fixed the problem. All kudos to channel islands audio. Whatever they are doing in that little box is working perfectly.
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