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#76642 - 02/20/09 08:03 PM Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Hi All,

First post here. My 970 just got in today. Looking forward to setting it up in my shop.
I have two NAD C272 and four JBL 29 AV-1 speakers. I will post the results here later and questions if needed.

Thanks,

RC
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76643 - 02/21/09 10:29 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Just as I expected. It sounds great. I am very happy with it. It will be a music only system. Only have one NAD C272 right now. The other one gets in early next week. Even with one running two of the JBL's it beats the pioneer 918 that was there and it had all four hooked up. The pioneer sounded very good too but this combination is definately cleaner and less distortion. Distortion is actually almost non existant. I can't wait to install the second NAD C272 off of the surround channel. I was listening to John lee Hooker, Papa Mali, RL Burnside, Zydeco Dots and Jim Suhler mix and it never sounded better.
My set up is a Yamaha DV-C6860 DVD 5 disc player. I am using the digital out. (Setting up the source was very easy.)The cabinet I am using is a commercial merchant rollaround, has giant castors and a glass section on top. A old CRT TV and VCR sit on top. TV is for navigating the mp3 menu and slideshows if I put jpg's on the CD with the mp3's. I will post a pic if possible.
I did not do any calibration with a SPL meter. I will be all over the shop, so I just positioned the speakers until I achieved the best sound in a 10'x10 square in the center of the 30'x40'shop. The invisi-ball mount on the jbl's made this a breeze.

Beer Me,

RC
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76644 - 02/22/09 06:43 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Today I have my Dell Inspiron 9100 laptop hooked up to the 970 via a Behringer u-control box using the optical out to 970's optical 4 in.
It is freakin sweet.
the 9100 laptop is a tank at 9+ lbs. but it uses a desktop cpu. a badassed laptop for this application on the cheap.

Cheers Outlaws.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76645 - 02/23/09 08:34 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Just wanted to add that after listening awhile with the laptop. I find that it is far better than the DVD player. Sound is very clean. Even at 0 or into the +'s. No distortion. I love this setup.
I think I will put laser pointers on the speakers so I can aim them exactlly where they need to be. Or borrow Pink Floyds special spoon.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76646 - 02/25/09 01:16 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Update:
I got the 2nd NAD C272 yesterday and installed it last night.

I am not sure if I did this right. First I hooked it up to the "left and right surround back" but got nothing. Could not get the speaker size to change from NONE. So I hooked it up the the "Surround Left and Right" and was able to change the speaker size to "Large". I could get music out of the back speakers but only in the surround modes. I wanted 5 speaker surround but only regular stereo was available. So as an experiment I set the "left and right surround back" to "small" even though there are no speakers there at all. Now the 5 and 6 speaker stere is available and sounds awesome. Please inform me if there is a better way. But I am not sure it could sound any better. I am loving this sound system. While playing Sinatra's fly me to the moon, I could of swore he was in my shop. Thanks a bunch Outlaw.

Ritchie
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76647 - 03/04/09 06:47 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76648 - 07/20/09 07:47 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
I have gotten to the point where MP3's at any rate just dont cut it anymore. WMA Lossless format is what I like now. Now to get a huge hard drive and start the ripping angain. This will be the 3rd time to rip my library of CD's.
I am dreading the task in a way. I started to notice the difference a while back but now it just drives me nuts sometimes. MP3's just seem a little rough on the edges. Not all but most. SACD's blow me away. Wish I could rip those.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76649 - 07/20/09 09:18 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
bobliinds Offline
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Registered: 03/10/02
Posts: 221
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
A 970 with two nads sounds like a manly system, indeed.

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#76650 - 07/23/09 01:38 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
I am stating to wonder if I blew the compression drivers on my JBL 29AV-1's. Maybe it just my ears or imagination. But I do detect some roughness in the voice range. Not always though.
Last weekend I did play Stevie Ray Vaughn's Say What! turned up to 0 for a few minuets and +7 for just a couple of seconds. I suppose a Ohms test on the drivers will determine if it is in my head or if they are actually slightly blown. What other things can I test / inspect to diagnose the health of the speakers?
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76651 - 07/23/09 06:01 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 278
Loc: Outside Phila.
Quote:
Originally posted by Ritchie:
Link to a pic
http://www.thecurb.us/album_pic.php?pic_id=89
"Not Authorised"

:p
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Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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#76652 - 07/23/09 07:12 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritz2 Offline
Desperado

Registered: 01/27/09
Posts: 414
Loc: Virginia
Quote:
Originally posted by RedSIinPA:
Quote:
Originally posted by Ritchie:
[b] Link to a pic
http://www.thecurb.us/album_pic.php?pic_id=89
"Not Authorised"

:p [/b]
Maybe your pr0n filter blocked it. I mean how often does a legit website advertise "my outlaw with 2 nads?"

LOL
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#76653 - 07/23/09 08:31 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Ooops. Y'all would have to be Curbsters to see it.
New link.
http://www.mercurycougar.net/gallery/uploads/839/Outlaw_and_2_NADs.jpg
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76654 - 07/23/09 08:32 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
LOL pron filter. hope that's not a shrimp joke
ROFL I kill me.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76655 - 07/23/09 11:08 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
XenonMan Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Aren't you afraid it will rain on you stuff?. What part of Cheyenne Mountain is your equipment stored in?
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#76656 - 07/24/09 12:32 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
the quanset workshop has no leaks and has end-walls. The yellow roll around cabinets are further protection. When in use I have a exhaust fan in the cabinet plus a small fan to blow air into it. Never even get close to over heating. If it did I would see a Red light on the NAD's.
Not sure what Cheyenne Mountain is. I am in Southeast Texas.
And about the blown speakers. It turned out to be a bad optical audio cable. When I got the Sony(ES) SACD palyer, the PO tossed in a Monster Optical audio cable so I started using it. Last night I put the cheap Dynex one back on and it sounds like it used to again. Awesome. Now I am looking at all the various types and sizes of optical audio cables. .5mm to 2mm and some are enev bigger. single strand or multi strand. Which is best and can too big of a cable dilute the optical signal? I know Monster is crap.
I am pleased with the Sony SACD player. It actually the only sony product I have that i do not dislike. The ES line must be the difference.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76657 - 07/24/09 02:31 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
XenonMan Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Go with Outlaws PDO cable or go to Bluejeans cables and get a quaility piece of gear at a fair price.
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Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#76658 - 07/24/09 02:31 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Just ordered 2 Outlaw Optical Audio cables. Cant beat the price. :-) Also feeling confident as it is from Outlaw.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76659 - 07/24/09 02:59 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
RedSIinPA Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 12/28/06
Posts: 278
Loc: Outside Phila.
place looks like an aircraft hangar! (and in my book that's awesome)
_________________________
Model 1070
Toshiba HD-A35 & Pioneer BDP-51
Tivo Series 3
Elite 50" / Aquos 32"
Squeezebox Radio

Stereo Setup:
NAD C326BEE (50Wx2)
Elite DV-47Ai Universal SACD/DVD-A
Citypulse DA7.2x II + TXCO DAC
B&W 685s
JL Fathom F112
Denon AH-D2000 Headphones


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#76660 - 07/24/09 05:41 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
XenonMan Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/08/08
Posts: 2676
Loc: Columbus,North Carolina
Cheyenne Mountain is the USAF control center for NORAD. It has a cavelike interior similar to your workshop. Do you get a lot of reverb in your quanset hut? How do you control it if you do?
_________________________
Music system
Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#76661 - 07/24/09 06:20 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
none that I have noticed. Concrete floors and all. With nothing to absorb the sound, you can really feel the pressure waves. I am very happy with the sound quality. But again, This is my first venture into the higher food chain sound systems. With so much to pick from out there, I closed my eyes and threw a dart. Turned out Outlaw is the bulls-eye. I would have got Outlaw amps too but already had the one NAD.

Oh. That Cheyenne Mountain. I remeber that from my Civil Air Patrol days back in the 70's
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76662 - 08/05/09 12:39 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Still think I may have burned up a compression driver or four. Ordered new ones. The JBL tech rep told me how to install them and the inspection process. Will post what I find.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76663 - 09/17/09 02:59 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
It has been a few weeks with the new diaphrams in. It does sound cleaner, maybe a little brighter too. but not harsh. I found fluid spaltters on the inside of one of the old diaphrams. I carefully cleaned the voice coil groove in the magnet. (I did not spill any fluid. And what is that stuff? It is a brown colored oil.) then reassembled the drivers. Was very easy. Two tools use where a #2 Phillips and a 1/4" open end wrench.
_________________________

Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76664 - 09/17/09 03:25 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
I have been pondering adding a subwoofer. I only use this system for music so I am not sure it is worth the expense.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76665 - 09/18/09 03:47 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
The JBL ES250PW looks interesting. It is 2.4 ghz wireless. 12", 400 watts. About $1 / watt.

Also saw a Cadence XSUB-12 (CSX-12)- 350 WATT Powered Subwoofer for $180. Quite tempted with the Cadence due to the price. The auction ends soon too. Also do not want to wind up with a sub that is too weak for the rest of my system and or the size of the workshop.

* Looking at the Bstock here. Not sure I could do better than the LFM-1 Plus B-Stock there.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76666 - 10/01/09 07:44 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
For an experiment I put the 8" Definitive Technology sub out in the shop to see what it would add. After some adjustment to the x-over (60)and finding the sweet spot for the sub, I was sure I had to have one for the shop. It really completes the package.
I had 4 subs on my list of possibilities.
The three above and a HSU, which is very very close to the Outlaw sub. Maybe even the same inside?? I went with the JBL ES250PW because of the price, only 200 bucks, it's a refurbished unit from the harmon. I am sure it is nowhere near the Outlaw or HSU for sound and quality.
It took more adjusting of the x-overs on both the sub and 970. I set it at 100 on the 970 and 60-70 on the sub with the power at the 1 o-colock position. it blends in better than the 8". I can also hear the 12" sub every where in the shop and I cant say the same for the 8".
I am lovin it. Someday will upgrade to 990 if / when the 970 dies. The 990 has better DAC but the 970 is no slouch. I love it.
When I was a kid in the 60's, the radio was my toy. Silver plastic, 9 volt heart. It still is today.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#76667 - 12/02/09 12:55 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Got some ferrofluid from ferotech. Going to add a drop in the coil gap for the compression drivers that got new diaphrams. I lost a little bit in the process. I sent them the spec sheet for the drivers and they made me a 3cc batch. Will post the results. The speakers do still sound great right now but have more "ring" to them than they did.
_________________________

Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#84415 - 08/04/10 03:02 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS [Re: RedSIinPA]
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Just wanted to say my 970 is still rockin'. No issues and it is in a harsh environment. Was going to step up to the 990 but I see it has been put out to pasture too. I'll just keep on rockin' with the 970 as long as it stays alive.
The "Revorgandrum" CD sounds soo good on this system.
_________________________

Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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#94139 - 04/12/14 04:56 PM Re: Outlaw 970 with 2 NADS [Re: Ritchie]
Ritchie Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 02/19/09
Posts: 28
Loc: Richmond Tx
Update:
My trusty 970 is starting to drop out more often latley so I got a 990 to replace it. I cant tell if the 990 sounds better because I only get a blue light and no display, no operation. thermistor?
I will call Outlaw support Monday. I would rather get it working than get a refund...

Last night my old 970 played without issue and sounded gtreat. So 970 is back in while I get the 990 sorted.
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Outlaw 970 or 990
(2) NAD C-272 amps
Sony (ES) SACD Player
(4) JBL 29Av-1 Speakers
JBL ES250PWCH 12" Sub
Dell GX620.
Asus sound card Optical out.

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