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#74247 - 12/05/09 05:38 PM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
Jimna Offline
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cool experiment. i wish my denon stored multiple setups.

i did just grab the 5.1 DTS boxset from the Talking Heads just because all this multi-channel talk has me thinking...and i just happened to find it when we were shopping.
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#74248 - 12/06/09 01:34 PM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
nfaguys Offline
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AVFAN wrote:
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IMHO, overall stereo does the best at reproducing a live event with the sound coming from in front of you.
He is writing about accurate imaging. If, for example the band or orchestra was in front, then this is how the sound-stage IMHO should "appear".
One should be able to "see" the orchestra (i.e sound).

I think that the codecs including the DDs, DTSs etc etc are great for movies. But if the band/orchestra is in front of me that is how I want to hear (see) it. In fact, with proper mic placement and recording techniques we can "SEE" where the various soloists are in a big band recording.

Notwithstand accurate SACD recordings, however, because accurate SACDs would not place the orch sound around you, except how it sounded at the venue. So if SACD surrounds you, then the engineer should have (probably did) record the hall and ambience correctly. Still the orch main sound is in front. Ambience surrounds.
My .02
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#74249 - 12/06/09 09:25 PM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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Has anyone seen a disc which has 5.1 tracks but all in the front stage. I think it would be awesome to have tracks for the various areas of the stage each with its own performer. It would be very convincing.
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#74250 - 12/07/09 12:32 AM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
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While not solely a music disc, Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds at Radio City DVD in Dobly 5.1 is close to what you describe. Reynolds' guitar is the left channel, Matthews' guitar is the right and vocals are in stereo with minor center channel support. The surrounds are just crowd noise. I suppose it is a good example of soundstage and it is pretty convincing. I only have the DVD but I imagine the BluRay would sound (and look) even better.
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#74251 - 12/07/09 01:08 AM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
nfaguys Offline
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Xenon man wrote:
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Has anyone seen a disc which has 5.1 tracks but all in the front stage. I think it would be awesome to have tracks for the various areas of the stage each with its own performer. It would be very convincing.
Been doin' it for several years. We took 4 ch (recorded on CROWN CX844s analog) converted to digital and assigned them to the 4 channels of a dts disc, using a dts-encoding program. The soundstage was accurate. The imaging was correct.
That is why my 4-ch inline reproduces the correct image....that's the way the band was recorded. Mostly big bands and classical. The sections, the rhythm, the soloist are all sonically where they actually were in real life. This is not a big deal to do. Good machine. Good mics. Some know-how. Lots of time and energy.
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Living Room:
5.1 Surround and 4channel inline room
990/7700/6-KEF-107s/LFM1 x 2/ SMS Awaiting Trinnov
Millenium dts decoder;Digital Director
Players: Tascam CD01U/SonyCX455 x 3/DV955/BDP83
Old Sony 60" SXRD TV
Zone 2 (also liv-Room: listening to music while Mrs watches TV): Crown SL2 preamp/D40 Amp/Stax Headphones



My "Man-cave":
4 channel-only inline room. No TV (thank heaven)!!!
990/755/4-KEF 107s
Tascam CD01U/dts decoder/digital director
Alesis 16x4x2 mixer
Recorders Alesis HD24/ML9600/Crown CX844s/SonyDAT/Tascam DA38
Ham Radio Shack (KB1STH) ICOM/Yaesu/Drakes x 3

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#74252 - 12/07/09 01:16 AM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
XenonMan Offline
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Any commercial discs? It sounds like someone has thought this through a little but do they record that way for any given disc.
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Model 990/7500/Magnepan 1.6 QRs/Technics SL1200 MK2/Aperion S-12 Subwoofer/OWA3/Sony NS75H DVD
APC H15 Power Conditioner

TV System
Large Advent Loudspeakers/ Polk center/Monoprice surrounds/Panasonic Viera 42 inch/Onkyo HT-RC260/Sony BDP S590/Directv


Home Theater System
Onkyo PR-SC886/Outlaw 7125 Klipsch RF-82 L/R,RC-62 center, RB-35 SR/SL, BENQ HT1075, Outlaw LFM1-EX/OPPO BDP-83/Directv
Harmony ONE
Blue Jeans and Monoprice interconnects
APC H15 Power Conditioner

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#74253 - 12/08/09 12:06 AM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200
nfaguys Offline
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Xenon Man wrote
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Any commercial discs? It sounds like someone has thought this through a little but do they record that way for any given disc.
YES. Visit This site on 5point1.com for Jazz & Big Band. You'll find others in DVD-A and SACD also.
We only xferred multi-ch to dts, though.

This link Gives all their material. Gerat stuff.


The material put out by that company is fabulous.
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Living Room:
5.1 Surround and 4channel inline room
990/7700/6-KEF-107s/LFM1 x 2/ SMS Awaiting Trinnov
Millenium dts decoder;Digital Director
Players: Tascam CD01U/SonyCX455 x 3/DV955/BDP83
Old Sony 60" SXRD TV
Zone 2 (also liv-Room: listening to music while Mrs watches TV): Crown SL2 preamp/D40 Amp/Stax Headphones



My "Man-cave":
4 channel-only inline room. No TV (thank heaven)!!!
990/755/4-KEF 107s
Tascam CD01U/dts decoder/digital director
Alesis 16x4x2 mixer
Recorders Alesis HD24/ML9600/Crown CX844s/SonyDAT/Tascam DA38
Ham Radio Shack (KB1STH) ICOM/Yaesu/Drakes x 3

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#82376 - 02/08/10 09:49 PM Re: Stereo Pre Amps for M-2200 [Re: nfaguys]
Jimna Offline
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Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 236
Loc: Denver, CO
my 970 has been having issues locking on to the coax input, im wanting that 2 channel pre 'bout now.

i see emotiva has one now....hint hint. keeping up with the jones's is what these company's do, right?
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Outlaw 970>
Emotiva XPA-2>
Martin Logan Preface

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My Concert Photographs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimna/collections/72157613267633153/

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