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#73256 - 12/24/07 04:38 AM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
BloggingITGuy Offline
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Registered: 02/20/06
Posts: 446
Loc: Beaverton, Oregon
Hi LittleRockGator,

I'm guessing that you aren't looking at the 990 due to space constraints?

If you can fit it in your rack, that would be the way to go.

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#73257 - 12/24/07 02:03 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
LittleRockGator Offline
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 18
Loc: Harleysville, PA
BloggingITGuy, I have space for the 990, just hadn't considered it. Actually, because of my experience with the 1070, I'm near the point of writing off Outlaw products. Although my 1070 sounds GREAT, but how can I really enjoy it if I never no if it's going to work on the first click of the power button, while playing it I never know if the audio is going to become garbled, when switching between sources I miss the first few seconds of sound, or I get no audio at all after switching?

I got tired of applying and removing firmware updates so I hadn't applied an update in a while, 1+ yrs. However, I did just apply the most recent one, I'll see if anything changes... If this update resolves my problems I won't be upgrading, I'm a happy Outlawer again. If not, I will check the 990 /970 forums to see what's up over there, before pulling the triggr on the Rotel. Honestly, it would be hard for me to go back Outlaw, knowing the problems that I experienced with the 1070.

Thanks for your input...
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Definitive Technology Reference RLS-II, front in-walls
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Def Tech Mythos Seven, center
Polk Audio Atrium 55, outdoor patio
SVS PB12-NSD
Paradigm CS-50R, in-ceiling kitchen
Paradigm CS-50R, in-ceiling dining room
Adcom GFA 535
Yamaha M-35
Sony DVP-NS75H
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#73258 - 12/24/07 03:17 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
For what it's worth, the 990 and 1070/970 are completely different platforms.
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#73259 - 12/24/07 04:22 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
BloggingITGuy Offline
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Loc: Beaverton, Oregon
Quote:
Originally posted by gonk:
For what it's worth, the 990 and 1070/970 are completely different platforms.
Yeah, which is why I recommended the 990. Also, while the 990 does have certain small issues for some people, as far as I know it has none of the sorts of showstoppers that people seem to be having with the 1070.

And at $800 it's a great value.

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#73260 - 12/24/07 05:48 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
LittleRockGator Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 18
Loc: Harleysville, PA
Thanks Fellows, I've applied the upgrade I've only had to power it on & off once since last night..... Before upgrading I will consider the 990 as both of you have recommended....

Does Outlaw give any kind of credit for 1070 "trade-ins?" cool
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Outlaw 1070
Definitive Technology Reference RLS-II, front in-walls
Definitive Technology BP/A, rear in-walls
Def Tech Mythos Seven, center
Polk Audio Atrium 55, outdoor patio
SVS PB12-NSD
Paradigm CS-50R, in-ceiling kitchen
Paradigm CS-50R, in-ceiling dining room
Adcom GFA 535
Yamaha M-35
Sony DVP-NS75H
DirecTV Plus HDDVR
Toshiba 50 Plasma, 50HP66

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#73261 - 12/24/07 07:02 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
Lizard King Offline
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Registered: 08/30/06
Posts: 425
Loc: NY
For all of you newbie's! The industry no longer caters to good sounding music. The current trend is strictly HT and movies.

Normal stereo music, 2 channel should be kept in the analog domain.

To credit the people at Outlaw, they kept an analong input in the 970/1070 that can bypass digital circuits and be kept simple. To even make better sound, they allow Analog Bass MGMT so you can keep your sub in line! This great feature is not in the 990. I do belive you can bypass the digital crap but not use the sub with analog bass MGMT.

My system uses some audiophile componets such as my front end DVD (modified) player, my main speakers, subwoofer and amplifier.

I tried a high end Pre/pro which is wonderful for HT, Movies and HDTV. When I tried playing music, I was so let down.

All the current preamps and receivers are using digital this and digital that. I say Crap, crap, crap. Even Outlaw uses digital inputs as the times call for them yet the still keep in mind that people like me and others need the analog for Music which so many people do not take serious.

My 1070 A/V receiver is used as a preamp. I have to rate the 1070 as good for music and good for HT. The $3000 (new) pre/pro I tried I would rate as excellent for HT, lousy for music. The Outlaw product is the happy medium.

I am hoping that Outlaw makes the next generation 970/1070 and even the 990 to use the multi-channel ANALOG input in Bypass with Analog Bass Mgmt!

I want all of you who read this who may agree with me to pass this along to the folks at Oulaw. The more we tell them (Scott - Director, Edwin - Tech Support, Peter T (President), the better chance we have to see are desires come true.

Keep Analog alive!
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Sony Ps3
Alon 2 Mk2 Loudspeakers
HSU VTF-2 Mk2 sub x2
VAC PA100/100 Tube Amp
ARC SP16-L tube Preamp
Audio Note Dac 2.1 "B" signature
Furutech E-TP80,
Ascend HTM-200, 340C
Sony KDS-55A2020

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#73262 - 12/24/07 08:41 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Quote:
Originally posted by LittleRockGator:
Does Outlaw give any kind of credit for 1070 "trade-ins?" cool
If you were in your 30-day window, you could ship it back for a full refund. Outside that, you can always sell it on Audiogon...
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#73263 - 12/25/07 05:16 AM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
kjl Offline
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Registered: 03/14/06
Posts: 26
Lots of people say "sound for the money". That's the key point. The 1070 beats any Denon at the same price point and matches the Rotel RSX-1057 ($1300 list?) for SQ but not reliability and some features. And it is nowhere near Sunfire seperates (and nor should it be for the price). You pays your money and takes your choice.

But the difference in $ is not that great between a Rotel and 1070 - that's where Outlaw falls down - why save $300 over the lifetime of a receiver for sound dropouts, DVI when everything else is HDMI (i.e., non-transferable cables), or renamable inputs for family convience? And Outlaw service is great compared to the airlines but try Anthem, Rotel and Rega - just as good and personal as Outlaw (they've all helped me out).

I get the brand loyalty thing, but the US is a capitalist economy and hopefully Outlaw understand the feedback that they get from this site to help them suceed.

Well, gonna duck the flak I'm sure to get smile and go help Santa deliver his goodies (esp. that Blue-Ray player labeled "To Daddy form Santa"- should make the wife believe). Merry Christmas everyone, and thanks to you all for such a great site.

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#73264 - 12/25/07 12:40 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 14054
Loc: Memphis, TN USA
No flak here, kjl - Merry Christmas, and enjoy that Blu-ray player that Santa snuck down the chimney. smile
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#73265 - 12/25/07 03:57 PM Re: Alternatives to the 1070?
Lizard King Offline
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Registered: 08/30/06
Posts: 425
Loc: NY
KJL,

I use an Anthem MCA 5 series II amp and I love it. It is terrific for both Music and HT. I tried an AVM-30 which was terrific for HT and lousy for music.

Outlaw is the Happy medium.
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Outlaw 1070, Anthem MCA5 II amp.
Sony Ps3
Alon 2 Mk2 Loudspeakers
HSU VTF-2 Mk2 sub x2
VAC PA100/100 Tube Amp
ARC SP16-L tube Preamp
Audio Note Dac 2.1 "B" signature
Furutech E-TP80,
Ascend HTM-200, 340C
Sony KDS-55A2020

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