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#71214 - 09/06/05 03:32 PM Universal DVD
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Hi Guys,

Just received my 1070 at work and have been going over the manual. Replacing my 1050. Started out to ask some specific questions about my universal dvd hook-up, but will ask just one. How would you guys hook-up and configure your universal dvd player with the 1070?

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#71215 - 09/06/05 04:51 PM Re: Universal DVD
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I'd run both the six-channel analog audio and a digital audio to the 1070 - this will let you get DVD-Audio and SACD (which need the six-channel) while still using the 1070's processing (Dolby EX, DTS ES, Pro Logic IIx, DTS NEO:6, quad crossover) for DVD-Video. I'd probably also set the universal player up so that it applied no bass management to the analog output (all speakers large, subwoofer on) and then compare both the "DIGITAL" and "HPF/LPF" options for bass management on the 7.1 direct input.
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#71216 - 09/06/05 06:29 PM Re: Universal DVD
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That's right, Gonk's on top of things. My Denon 3910 universal DVD is hooked up using the six analog cables. I have the Denon set to source direct to avoid any bass management being applied. On the 1070 I have the bass management toggle set to the top position (HPF/LPF). At first I was unsure of this fixed 80 Hz crossover since I have fairly big towers up front, but upon actually experimenting with all the bass mangement settings, the HPF/LPF sounded best. Like Gonk said, make sure to have an optical connection for video.

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#71217 - 09/07/05 11:08 AM Re: Universal DVD
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I haven't recieved the 1070 yet, but I figured I'd ask anyway. When playing a SACD or DVD-A, do I have to set the reciever to recieve the multi-channel analog input or does it do it automatically?

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#71218 - 09/07/05 01:37 PM Re: Universal DVD
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You will need to select the "7.1 Direct" mode - based on my reading of the manual, you'll go to the DVD input like you would for a normal DVD and then select "7.1D" on the remote to toggle the DVD input from the normal arrangement (which would presumably be one of the digital audio inputs) to the multi-channel analog.

Of course, if you have a player that you use solely for DVD-A/SACD, you could set it up to always use the 7.1 Direct input...
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#71219 - 09/07/05 02:41 PM Re: Universal DVD
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thanks Gonk - good info

And on a side note - UPS tried to deliver my LFM-1 today, but I'm at work...doh! Hope I don't have to lug that bad boy into and out of my car!

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#71220 - 09/07/05 03:34 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Thanks Gonk, would configuring say one input (dvd) with direct audio in and component video out and another input say vid 1 with optical audio in and dvi video out on the same player work? Then hit dvd to play sacd's and vid 1 to play movies, or is this overkill? Also, am planning on getting a 3910, but right now cannot turn my bass mgt off on player. Will setting everything large skip it or do I need to set the xovers very high. Thanks

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#71221 - 09/07/05 04:42 PM Re: Universal DVD
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You could certainly set a unit up with DVI and digital audio to the Video1 input and component (or even s-video or composite) and six-channel analog to the DVD input and very readily toggle between the two modes in that manner, but it will tie up both of your DVI ports as well as two of your three component inputs - which could start to give you some headaches if you have more than a couple of source components. The other approach of routing six-channel analog and digital audio through the DVD input and using the 7.1D button to toggle isn't much more difficult, and it leaves Video1 open for other sources.

To avoid bass management in the Denon, simply set all speakers to large and make sure the sub is set to on. That will bypass the internal bass management.
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#71222 - 09/10/05 10:37 AM Re: Universal DVD
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Gonk, with my dvd video connections at the component in and out, why can't I get the OSD to work. Also if all composite and s-video is upconverted to component out, why does the satellite reiever (s-video in)not work unless the s-video loop is completed to the monitor. Isn't the component out supposed to suffice for both inputs and support OSD?

PS What's the AUTO on the video menu actually choose from? Thanks

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#71223 - 09/10/05 12:54 PM Re: Universal DVD
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The OSD won't work with the component connection if it detects a signal from your DVD player. You must use an RCA or S-video monitor out connection or turn off your DVD player. That's how it works on my 1070.

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#71224 - 09/10/05 01:34 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it? Oh well. What about s-video upconversion on dish reciever. Shouldn't that component out?

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#71225 - 09/12/05 09:04 AM Re: Universal DVD
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I have the same issue with viewing the OSD when I'm running any component out i.e., DVD and component out on my dish receiver. Even in the latest newsletter Outlaw touts this as an advantage of owning a 1070. Am I missing something here? The sound is fantastic however.

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#71226 - 09/12/05 09:20 AM Re: Universal DVD
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I don't have a 1070 to test with, but it sounds like the 1070 behaves almost exactly the same as the 990 except for one difference. While the 990 will replace a component video input with a blue screen to display the OSD menu with a component input, the 1070 does not add any OSD data (either status info or the menu) to a component input. The s-video and composite video inputs would get both status info and menu superimposed on the input video signal, and those sources would then be converted to component video for the monitor output. That means that you should be able to use an s-video or composite video input (or a video input with nothing connected at all, such as the front input) to get the setup menu while using the component output.
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#71227 - 09/12/05 09:33 AM Re: Universal DVD
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I have absolutely no problems with the OSD on component. I use the OSD pretty heavily since the screen is a bit hard to see so I'll often be listening to CDs on my DVD player. At present the only video connection to my TV is through the component input and it displays the OSD regardless of source. I am not, however, running anything through the DVI channel. As far as I'm aware that's the only one that doesn't display the OSD.

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#71228 - 09/12/05 09:37 AM Re: Universal DVD
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Thanks gonk. I'll hook-up an additional s-video cable and see how it works. As long as it just superimposes the OSD info onto the component out, there should be no problem.

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#71229 - 09/12/05 02:12 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Thanks gonk, ditto

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#71230 - 09/14/05 04:17 PM Re: Universal DVD
kentonearl Offline
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Still not getting an OSD with DVD. Comes up when source is turned off, but no superimposed when on. What am I doing wrong? Thanks

Note: By the way, I love this thing! Sounds incredible.

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#71231 - 09/14/05 04:33 PM Re: Universal DVD
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I was able to get the OSD by changing my DVD player to "Interlaced" in lieu of "Progressive". I still can't get it on "Progressive". But for some reason I can now see the OSD when I'm viewing HD programming from my satellite receiver. It uses component connections.

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#71232 - 09/14/05 06:45 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Thanks Ragnar. Don't know how thats going to work with my DLP, but I'll give it a try.

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#71233 - 09/21/06 08:59 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Am about to hook up my 1070 and my Oppo 971. The instruction book seems to suggest that the 971 be connected directly to the TV...a Pioneer 1140 in my case. Had planned to connect the Oppo to the 1070. Comments please. Have recently read that a coax cable better than a digital audio. Any thoughts on that?
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#71234 - 09/21/06 09:39 PM Re: Universal DVD
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The video can run either through the 1070 or straight to the TV - although if you have any other DVI/HDMI sources it'll be useful to make use of the 1070's DVI switching. Does your Pioneer have an HDMI or DVI input? That's very much the preferred video output for the Oppo 971.

As for digital audio, there are arguments in favor of both coaxial and optical. Optical cables are immune to RF and electromagnetic interference, but you have to convert the data from wire to fiber and back. Personally, I've tried both and never been able to conclusively find a difference between the two.
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#71235 - 09/21/06 10:27 PM Re: Universal DVD
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The 1140 Pioneer Elite has HDMI and no DVI.
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#71236 - 09/21/06 10:30 PM Re: Universal DVD
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My cable box has DVI. No HDMI. I guess I would connect both to the 1070???? Thanks
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#71237 - 09/21/06 10:59 PM Re: Universal DVD
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You could connect both the cable box and Oppo 971 to the 1070 (DVI to DVI cable) and the 1070 to the Pioneer (DVI to HDMI cable). You'll probably want at least a composite cable between the 1070 and Pioneer just for the convenience of the OSD menu.
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#71238 - 09/21/06 11:32 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Gonk, If I connect the Oppo and the Cable Box to the 1080 via DVI and a coax, then I guess I do not understand the composite cable between the 1070 and the Pioneer. It appears duplication??? for the OSD ???? menu. I am a newbie so I appreciate your tutoring.
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#71239 - 09/22/06 07:24 AM Re: Universal DVD
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The composite video cable is for the 1070's OSD (on screen display) menu - convenience only, since you can also configure the 1070 with the front panel display.
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#71240 - 09/22/06 01:47 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Sorry that I am so dense. From the 1070 to the Pioneer, I will have a DVI cable to carry video. I would then also run a composite video cable from the 1070 to the Pioneer for OSD? Does that mean I would then have two video feeds to the Pioneer but would sort that out in a menu? I want the OSD as my 1070 will be in my cabinet behind speaker cloth. Once again, thanks for the tutoring.
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#71241 - 09/22/06 02:07 PM Re: Universal DVD
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You'd have two video feeds to the Pioneer, but aside from those times when you want to make changes to the 1070 you'd leave the Pioneer on the HDMI input. (Be aware of something, though: the 1070 does not superimpose menu "pop-ups" such as volume and input info onto component or DVI inputs - so you won't see that sort of information on top of your HD cable box or DVD player video.)
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#71242 - 09/23/06 10:22 AM Re: Universal DVD
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Gonk,
Re "pop ups" not appearing from the 1070. Is that an argument to hook directly into the Pioneer? Seems no advantage to connecting my cable box and DVD into the 1070 for video? Cable visibility not a problem as any will be hidden. Remote advantages?
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#71243 - 09/23/06 02:04 PM Re: Universal DVD
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The advantages that have led me to use my receiver's video switching are user friendliness (in your case, you'd never have to switch video inputs on the TV) and allowing more devices than your TV has inputs (many displays have a single DVI or HDMI input, for example).
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#71244 - 10/13/06 07:09 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Gonk,
Thanks again for your assistance. Everything now working fine. Do have one question. Am programming the 1070's remote to operate my HDTV, my cable box and my Oppo DVD. Was doing okay until the Oppo 971. Can find no 4 digit code and when I spoke with Oppo customer service, they even suggested this forum to see if anyone knew the proper code. I tried 1224 with no luck. Help from you or anyone else would be appreciated. To program remote to remote would be a royal pain. Thanks
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#71245 - 10/14/06 09:34 AM Re: Universal DVD
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You might also try 1525 - that should be the code for the 971H with the black remote, if it is included on the 1070's remote.
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#71246 - 10/14/06 09:53 AM Re: Universal DVD
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Thanks, will try 1525. However my brand new 971 has a silver remote.
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#71247 - 10/14/06 01:53 PM Re: Universal DVD
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Silver with a black face? That's the current remote, and it is the "black" remote - the original remote was all silver, followed by a pure black remote with different codes and then the current silver remote with black face that uses the same codes as the black one.
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#71248 - 10/23/06 09:44 AM Re: Universal DVD
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gonk,
Another question. I now have a Harmony 880 and it functions very well on at least basic functions. In reading my Oppo 971 manual, it discusses setting surround modes in the 971. I thought I only needed to do that in the 1070? I am now not sure what the Oppo passes to the 1070. Assume other upconverting DVD players are similiar.
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#71249 - 10/23/06 03:09 PM Re: Universal DVD
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The Oppo has onboard decoders for Dolby Digital and I think DTS, but they (and their associated surround mode settings) only used when the multichannel analog output is being used. For digital output, none of it applies.
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