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#66168 - 10/12/07 01:19 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
slbenz Offline
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Registered: 07/24/07
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Originally posted by KMDonlon:
I actually did do that shortly after I got the 990 just to make sure I had the latest firmware. It is an issue with the bass management for sure.

The 2 fixes that I can think of are to either have the 2 channel sub offset go in both directions, up & down or have each input have its own bass management settings applied.

I love this pre/pro but this particular issue is frustrating and made me wish I had looked at some other options. I also paid $999 2 months ago and now they are $799, that also stings a bit too frown
Rats! I was hoping that uploading the latest software would have remedied the problem for you. Sounds like Outlaw needs to do a firmware upgrade for 2 channel sub offset to go in both directions. And maybe a special offset financially for those of us who bought our 990s only 2 months ago? My financial sting wasn't as bad as yours, I bought a B-stock, but for $100 less now, I could have purchased new instead. Good luck with your 990 and hope Outlaw can correct this issue for you.

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#66169 - 10/12/07 12:20 PM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
KMDonlon Offline
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Thanks slbenz smile I agree, I hope Outlaw does at least a final bass management fix before their new pre/pro hits the streets. I do remember we both bought around the same time too.

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#66170 - 10/25/07 02:11 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
KMDonlon Offline
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Sorry to bump this thread, but does anyone ever think we will see any further firware updates to address some of the "glitches" still present in the bass management?
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#66171 - 10/25/07 04:28 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
gonk Offline
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Based on the posts that Scott has made, I get the impression that there will be a firmware update relating to bass management.
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#66172 - 10/26/07 01:32 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
KMDonlon Offline
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I sorta thought that to be the case, I just didn't want all this to fall by the way side with all the buzz about the next generation 990 smile
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#66173 - 10/26/07 01:37 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
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The 990's successor is still some way off based on the comments offered by Outlaw when they announced their October sale on the 990 and 970, and even after it arrives there are still a lot of 990's out in the market.
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#66174 - 10/26/07 03:53 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
slbenz Offline
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Originally posted by KMDonlon:
I sorta thought that to be the case, I just didn't want all this to fall by the way side with all the buzz about the next generation 990 smile
Kevin,

Agree with you on this as well!

Slbenz

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#66175 - 10/26/07 12:52 PM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
KMDonlon Offline
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Loc: Raleigh, NC
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Kevin,

Agree with you on this as well!

Slbenz
Thanks Slbenz, we 990/ HCA 1205A owners need to stick together laugh
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#66176 - 11/06/07 12:15 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
Deromax Offline
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Registered: 11/05/07
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Originally posted by slbenz:
I always had to manually decrease my subwoofer by 10dBs relative to my 2-channel use which is exactly what DTS does with subwoofer outputs. DTS always boosts subwoofer output by 10dBs for their standards.
Hello! This is my first post here, I just took delivery of a 990 a few days ago.

The 10 dB issue is real. The LFE level in surround formats really IS boosted 10 dB for some reasons. Anyone who may like listening regular stereo with a home theater is at risk to run into this problem. It's like people who design those processors don't listen stereo music with their sub on?

My previous processor, a Denon AVD-2000, had a handy feature, the possibility to lower the LFE level. NOT the sub level. Those are different things! I ran it at -10 dB and the bass output was just perfect, either with music or movies.

I was shocked to discover that the 990 have no such feature, I thought it was a requierment of the Dolby spec.

The sub offset NEED to go in both direction, at least 10 dB. Or a LFE level adjustment has to exist.

I'm affraid I will have to considere returning the thing if a solution is not provided as this seems un-liveable..
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#66177 - 11/06/07 02:17 AM Re: 2 channel Sub Offset
KMDonlon Offline
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Loc: Raleigh, NC
Glad to hear I am not the only one who feels strongly on this, no word so far from Outlaw regarding a possible firmware fix... many of us are waiting patiently... some more than others :rolleyes:
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