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#58042 - 02/21/06 10:59 PM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Jack_Dotson Offline
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Registered: 01/19/06
Posts: 41
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Wow, that should be a killer system. Only question I have is why the 999ES is going up stairs. Is the picture from the Denon better? I've seen allot of DVDP's, but the 999ES has one of the best pictures I've seen. Not to mention superb SACD performance.

BTW, I just put a Sherwood P-965 on order today. The Outlaw was my pick in just about every way, but in the end I wanted the SNAP EQ. Hope it works for me.

Congrats on a great system. I've owned my 950 and 755 for a couple of years now, Outlaw makes good stuff.
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#58043 - 02/22/06 12:18 AM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
drunkonjack Offline
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Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 36
Loc: Iowa 52732
Merlin , I chose the 850's over the 1000's for the same reason . I did'nt need the powered woofer .

With (2) UFW-12's and (2) SVSPB12+2's I had enough low end stuff in the room .

Your system will bring the house down wink

Cheers !

P.S we need more drinking smilys if I'm going to be hanging out here laugh
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#58044 - 02/22/06 09:11 AM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Merlin Offline
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Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 24
Loc: New England Area
Jack the Denon 3910 according to all the reviews particulary in Secrets does have a better picture and better audio. I agree the 999ES has a great picture but the 3910 is basicly an upgraded Denon 5900 and there new top dog is the 5910. But for the money it is questionable how much improvement you would get with the 5910 over the 3910. The other reason for the 3910 is a DVI connection which the 999ES only has a component connection.

My current plan is to put the 3910 and the Comcast HD box on DVI connections through the 990 to my Sony XBR60950 with DVI. The connections alone should improve picture quality, but with the 3910 better compents it will also add to my visual enjoyment I'm sure.

Also I was told by Steve in pre sales that the 990 will have room equalization in the very near future as a software download which is probably similar to SNAP I'm willing to bet. I'm just guessing about the SNAP but based on Outlaw's buisness model it would make sense with a few design changes.

Merlin

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#58045 - 02/22/06 09:44 AM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Merlin Offline
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Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 24
Loc: New England Area
Sorry folks I need to make a correction I was just talking with Steve again and I mis-understood about the room equalization. They are looking into it but they have no definite time table for room equalization at this point in time. Sorry if I created any confusion.

Merlin

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#58046 - 02/22/06 10:59 AM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
obie_fl Offline
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Registered: 12/20/02
Posts: 194
Merlin your thought process pretty much mirrors my own regarding the Emo gear. It will be interesting to see what DOJ thinks of the 990 since he had the big dog Pre/Pro.

Regarding the 1K vs 850. I had pre-ordered the 1Ks before I knew about the 850s. Had I known before hand I may have got the 850s and two stereo UFW-10s. I would have still kept the SVS for LFE.

I understand the desire to get a sub with lower extension then the current sealed subs offered by AV123. Dual LMF1s and the SMS EQ should be very nice. It does look like AV123 is addressing this "hole" with the X subs.

Regarding room EQ I'm not sure at the price level we are talking about if this is worth it at this time, the technology just seems a little to immature. I would rather see some low frequency PEQ built in for the subs. Maybe not to the degree of the SMS but more along the lines of R-DES or the BFD. On the other hand if they can get something similar to the SMS to run on the 990 I'll take it. laugh
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#58047 - 02/22/06 11:38 AM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Merlin Offline
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Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 24
Loc: New England Area
Obie I agee with you about the room equalization probably being a bit immature still. The only processor that I'm aware of that it exists on today is the Lexicon mc-12 as a 3k option if memory serves me correct. Although I'm told that Lexicon could sell the MC-12 for about 4k and still make a good profit but I never said that. Neither am I a big fan of Lexicon and logic 7. Logic 7 to me is like a cathedral DSP mode which is too artificial, but I know it has fans. I work for a company that makes a lot of the parts that goes into the Lexicon so I probably shouldn't say that but it is my opinion.

With the Lexicon, Denon, and Pioneer receivers I have been told by engineers that play with them for a living that most of equalization is in the bass area anyway. So with the SMS1 running 2 LMF1's I feel that I'm probably getting about 80-90% of the room equalization anyway. So when Outlaw gets around to putting it into a processor it will be fine by me.

I also will be interested in DOJ opinion of the 990 vs the EMO gear.

Merlin

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#58048 - 02/22/06 03:06 PM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Merlin Offline
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Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 24
Loc: New England Area
The wife just called the 990 and the SMS1 have arrived. But I just checked the tracking numbers for the LMF1's and 7500 and they won't be here until the 28th. So I presume that my 30 day demo doesn't start with the 990 and SMS1 doesn't start until the 28th right since I need the amp and subs to make this work right?

Merlin

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#58049 - 02/22/06 04:52 PM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
harp795 Offline
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Registered: 03/04/02
Posts: 104
Loc: Louisville, KY
Quote:
Originally posted by Merlin:
but the 3910 is basicly an upgraded Denon 5900 and there new top dog is the 5910.
Merlin
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Easy now! Me's thinks the 3910 is CLOSE to the 5900 but not in all counts an "upgrade". It's generally accepted that the 3910 might be slightly better on video (it only beat the 5900 by one point in the Secrets tests, 92 vs. 93) but gives up a bit on the audio side.

From Secrets 3910 Benchmark:

"Another change we noticed was the analog frequency response. While it was quite good, it wasn’t quite as flat as the DVD-5900, which has a slightly better analog stage and filtering,"

Plus, the 5900's extra seven pounds means it could kick a#$ if it had to!!

Just kidding really laugh ...just trying to justify the extra $500 I spend just 3 months before the 3910 was announced. Would love to have that HDMI that's not available on the 5900.

Enjoy,

Steve
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#58050 - 02/22/06 06:43 PM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Merlin Offline
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Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 24
Loc: New England Area
Steve I feel for you! It is always a bear when a vendor comes out with a better product for less!

Enjoy the 5900 it is one nice player! Although I hear that the 5910 is better if you buy now you shouldn't read about the 4910 for at least 6 months!

Merlin

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#58051 - 02/22/06 06:47 PM Re: Bad Case of 990 Upgradeitis!
Merlin Offline
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Registered: 02/21/06
Posts: 24
Loc: New England Area
Well I have the 990 the SMS1, the Denon 3910 and the Sony ES SCD-C2000ES all came today. The new rack arrives tommorow along with some cables. But now I have to wait until the 27th for the LMF1 subs and 28th for the 7500.... What is a guy to do. DOJ ok now it is time for that drink!

Merlin

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