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#5593 - 05/17/04 09:57 AM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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yeah, i understand what parametric eq is, it happens to be intergrated into my new receiver and was something i liked about it. however i knew about it beforehand, its not like it suprised me. you seem to be implying that you are just correcting room acoustics by manipulating the signal the way that you are, i would counter that there are better ways to do so. you mentioned some in your post. i think that people should be trying to allow the signal, in turn the sound, to get as close as possible to the way it was recorded. if you are going away from that, then you are doing an injustice to yourself, you certainly seem like you think you are going closer to it. it doesnt seem like you are to me. dont waste my time with lengthy explanations of something that is common knowledge for everyone here as a poor attempt to conceal what you already said.
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#5594 - 05/17/04 04:08 PM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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Originally posted by curegeorg:
yeah, i understand what parametric eq is, it happens to be intergrated into my new receiver and was something i liked about it....
... dont waste my time with lengthy explanations of something that is common knowledge for everyone here as a poor attempt to conceal what you already said.


I will be brief. Based on your comments, I would guess that you don't actually know what a PEQ does or the legitimate reasons why people chose to use them. You state that you like your receiver's PEQ feature, but in the next breath you discount others who would use PEQ in their systems. What's up doc?

Why don't you explain to "everyone here" what it is that I am concealing. WMD? Are you really that paranoid? What is your agenda "in here" anyway? Do you think that the intellectual elite are pushing separate audio components?

FYI, at the CES 2004 in NYC, Denon has introduced the AVR-3805, AVP-1x, POA-1x, and DVD-1x. The AVR-3505 is a AV Receiver with an 8 band PEQ. Interestingly, the other products are separates in their "Studio Reference" line. Just imagine how foolish and stupid those people who purchase Denon's higher priced separates will feel when they find out they could get the same stuff in one box; smaller, lighter, and less expensive. And it is also DENON, so it's got to be just as good. Sure glad we know better.

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#5595 - 09/22/04 08:31 AM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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Wouldn't bi-wiring to a speaker with a passive crossover network inside of it work out to be the same or similar to simply running a larger diameter cable between the amp and speaker? If this is true (just asking) then wouldn't the end result be less resistance on the wire? And isn't this a good thing?

I seem to remember reading a Canare, I believe that it was Canare, blurb about their 4S11 wire stating that each of the four strands was 14 awg and that if you were to attach two of those strands each to the positive and negative terminals on the speaker, then you would effectively have an 11 awg speaker wire. Would this not be an advantage to bi-wiring?

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#5596 - 09/22/04 10:40 AM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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While bi- or tri- amplification will bring some benefits, I find virtually no benefit to bi- wiring – unless I was making a profit selling cable. If I was given a choice, for a given distance between amp and loudspeaker, of bi- wiring two cables, one for mid/high frequencies and one for low frequencies, giving a round trip resistance of two ohms each, versus one cable that gives a round trip resistance of half an ohm for all frequencies, I would choose the lowest resistance option. Remember, whether bi- wiring or not, the same passive crossover elements are still in the path and still interacting electrically.

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#5597 - 09/23/04 04:54 PM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
curegeorg Offline
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Originally posted by jeffdavis:
Wouldn't bi-wiring to a speaker with a passive crossover network inside of it work out to be the same or similar to simply running a larger diameter cable between the amp and speaker? If this is true (just asking) then wouldn't the end result be less resistance on the wire? And isn't this a good thing?

I seem to remember reading a Canare, I believe that it was Canare, blurb about their 4S11 wire stating that each of the four strands was 14 awg and that if you were to attach two of those strands each to the positive and negative terminals on the speaker, then you would effectively have an 11 awg speaker wire. Would this not be an advantage to bi-wiring?

Jeff


i guess it depends on what you consider an advantage to be...

yes it will give you a lower guage aggregate which in turn could lead to less resistance, but that does not mean that the sound will change...

you would be better served to use multiple strands of higher guaged wire, than one low guage piece of wire. i am pretty sure the skin effect is not detectable in wire 18ga or thinner, but it could be 17. either way, 2 18s yielding a 15 combined would be better than one 15ga, assuming all else is equal and there is no short or anything...

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#5598 - 09/23/04 05:07 PM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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Oh....never mind....

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#5599 - 09/23/04 08:57 PM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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#5600 - 09/27/04 10:53 AM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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Why verbalize until the upper frontal externality displays a reflectance tinge wavelength approaching 475 nm?

… the better part of valor.



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#5601 - 12/18/04 01:32 PM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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Don't want to start anything but; this article has some interesting points. It discusses how a tube amp differs from a transistor. I use a combonation of both in my system and each have there good and bad points.

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#5602 - 12/19/04 12:26 PM Re: Solid State & Tube Bi-Amping
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Yes, they do both have their uses. It's too bad that some people cant't see that the various types of signal devices are all in the audio toolbox, to be used as the application warrants.

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