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#55072 - 06/29/05 11:09 AM If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
K-Man Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
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Loc: Olathe, KS
If my Klipsch Reference series system (RF-3 IIs, RS-3 IIs and RC-3 II) sounds good with the Outlaw 990/755 what would make it sound better?. I been bitten with the bug and now suffer from audiophile upgrade-itus.
I’m wanting to stay around $2000 for two large mains, two surrounds and one center channel. I’ll be keeping my Velodyne sub for now, but may change that to an Outlaw LF-1 or something from SVS later. I listen to a great deal of two channel audio, so very good mains are important to me. Here’s my current short list:

- Axiom Audio with the M80 mains.
- Mordaunt Short Avant series.
- Paradigm Monitor series.
- RBH??

Any comments or suggestions for other speakers are greatly appreciated.

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#55073 - 06/29/05 12:03 PM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
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My first suggestion is to try to find a way to demo as many of the speakers as you can. I say that because speakers are very much a matter of personal taste. I'm very fond of my Paradigm Reference v2 speakers (which would exceed the $2000 budget with the new v3 line), and so would tend to agree that the Paradigm Monitors are a good choice to consider. Axiom's are going to have a similar sound to the Paradigms (both share the Canadian speaker design lineage), and based on the M3ti surrounds that I have I would consider them to be a good choice to consider as well, especially of the Paradigms seem to suit your taste. There have been several similar threads in the past, but Outlaw_Tim's current what speakers are you using thread would be a good place to find speakers that might be worth auditioning.
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#55074 - 06/29/05 01:23 PM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
E'pin Sen Ob Offline
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Registered: 05/04/05
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Loc: USA
I agree with gonk . Audition as many different types of speakers as you can . You probably already know this but, the Klipsch are very efficient speakers and the horn will sound considerably different than traditional style tweeters . So keep this in mind when you are listening .

The Paradigm would be strong for both music and home theater application . PSB is pretty solid and sound similar to the Paradigm .

Maybe someone could way in on the Rockets here . I would be interested in hearing how Rocket owners feel they would stand up . From what I have read in other forums they seem to be some pretty heavy hitters .
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#55075 - 06/29/05 01:50 PM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
Kwok C Lau Offline
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Registered: 12/12/02
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Loc: Basking Ridge, NJ,USA
I love the Paradigm reference series too. Yap, the V3 are expensive. The V1 or V2 are far cheaper, but wonder if you still can get these.
If you have good subwoofer, the Studio Reference 20's for fronts and surrounds and a reference center, if budget is a concern. I highly recommend Paradigm.

Kwok

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#55076 - 06/29/05 02:17 PM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
K-Man Offline
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Registered: 06/17/05
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Loc: Olathe, KS
I'd say the Paradigms and Axioms are at the top of my list. Anchoring a new setup around either the Monitor 11s or M80tis. When it comes to two channel audio, I'm still a believer in larger speakers with more cones = better sound. Hence, my leanings toward M80s and Monitor 11. They also have a great look to them. Problem is actually finding a local vendor who sells all the great speaker brands to audition. I live in a major suburb of Kansas City and there are suprisingly few retailers of high end audio equipment in the entire metro area. I did locate one who sells Paradigms and do plan to audition them. I've been checking out Onix Rocket series as well. They get great praise here and other places. Although, they may be a little out of my budget.

I know all will sound radically different than the Klipsch horns. Those horns are both really great and other times really harsh. It just depends on the source. They can be the most 'live,' 'concert-like' and impressive sounding of any speaker I've ever owned from when listening to one thing and really blaring/harsh from others.

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#55077 - 06/29/05 02:26 PM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
readster Offline
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Registered: 01/31/04
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Loc: Bartlesville, OK USA
The Axiom line will sound freaking amazing !!! Those m80's can handle all the power the 990 can dish out, and sound better as the volume increases, for the money, i'm very satisfied with mine

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#55078 - 06/29/05 03:06 PM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
Jed M Offline
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Registered: 05/02/02
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I used to own the same Klipsch speakers as you. Just like yourself, I liked them but was looking for something "more" after upgrading to Outlaw gear (950/770). After doing some local auditioning I did some auditions between a few internet companies about 20 months ago and ended up choosing Onix Reference speakers. Unfortunately Axiom wasn't one of the internet speakers I listened to so I can't comment on which I preferred. I would imagine that any of the companies you mention build quality speakers so it's really just a matter of which sounds best to you. Because we all hear things differently, there really is no wrong choice with speakers (except Bose). My advice would be if you get the chance, always audition them at your house with your gear.

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#55079 - 07/11/05 10:06 AM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
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Registered: 06/17/05
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The quest continues for the perfect speaker upgrade to compliment my beloved Outlaw 990 & 755. I finished my auditions at all the local stores I could find. I tried Phase Technologies, Martin Logan, Definitive Technology, B&W and of course Paradigm. My favorite were the Paradigm Monitor series. Unfortunately, the Paradigm dealer is tiny and didn't even have the Monitor 11 in stock, which is what I really wanted to hear. They did have the Monitor 7 and they did sound good. Although a little boxy, but I think that was mostly due to the extremely small listening room. So, my top two choices are still Paradigms and Axioms.

I contacted Axiom Saturday evening and talked to a really friendly French Canadian who was a pleasure to deal with. He said Outlaw amps and gear are one of their recommended setups to go with their speakers. He also told me they consider Axiom the sonic comparable to Paradigm's much more expensive studio line. With the M80 an equal to the Studio 100. Now, I don't know how much of this is truth and how much was sales pitch, but if there is truth to his claim, I'd be a fool not to go with Axiom. Anyone care to weigh in on this?

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#55080 - 07/11/05 10:24 AM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
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I've heard before that the Axioms are closer to the Studio line than the Monitor line, but that was back when the v2 Studios were current - and the v3 Studios are reportedly a bit better than the v2's. Based on that and my years with the Studio/60v2, I don't know that an M80 is going to be the equal of a Studio 100v3, but even if it comes out of the comparison reasonably successfully then it would speak well of the Axiom. I know that the M3ti's I'm using as surrounds have more or less held their own in an otherwise all-Studio v2 setup (although I do still have a slight preference for the Studio/ADP's as side surrounds - but the den doesn't offer mounting locations for the ADP's). My guess? If you like the Monitors, then the Axioms would probably also be a very good fit for you.
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#55081 - 07/11/05 10:43 AM Re: If Klipsch sound good with Outlaw, what will sound great?
Jed M Offline
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Anyway you could get a pair of Paradigms from your dealer without having a restocking fee? I think it would be beneficial to hear both of them side by side in your own room, but that can be hard to do sometimes.

Didn't notice you were from Olathe. I grew up in Lake Quivira. I will be driving through Olathe in a week or so on my way back home for a wedding. Boy, that city has changed in the last decade. Anyway, good luck with your decision.

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