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#49561 - 06/18/01 02:11 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
truthseeker Offline

Registered: 06/12/01
Posts: 37
Loc: Il

1) But only if there are sufficient user adjustable parameters, like Lexicon's Cathedral, Jazz Club etc.
2) Best would be some sort of Logic7
extracted from DPL II perhaps.
3) An ambience recovery(crosstalk-cancelling) mode for plain 2-channel would be really nice.

#49562 - 06/18/01 02:15 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
Gary C Offline
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Registered: 04/11/01
Posts: 6
Loc: Nampa, ID, US of A
The only DSP modes that I've seen praised often are 5 channel stereo and cinema re-equilization. Some people may use other DSP modes to watch sports, but for the most part, none of the generic DSP modes (Concert Hall, Jazz, Ghetto Blaster, Bose ) are used often. If it was possible to defeat the DSP modes, such as have a menu option to turn them on/off, and if they added no additional cost to the unit, I would say 'Yea'.

However, there is no way that the inclusion of additional DSP modes will not affect cost. As others have already stated, extra DSP modes will require additional work on menus, more QA to be sure the modes work properly, and increased support for users who can't get their units out of "Men's Room" mode. In keeping with the K.I.S.S. principle, I say 'Nay'.

Gary C

#49563 - 06/18/01 02:27 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
Andres M Offline
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Registered: 03/14/01
Posts: 4
Loc: NYC
Hi guys.
I say why not. Since you already stated that it wouldn't affect the price in any way, I don't see the extra DSP's hurting anything by being there.
If you don't like them, don't use them.

And as far as cluttering up the menus, come on...we're all into this hobby so much that we're members of a manufacturer's forum...I think by now we know our way around menus.


My Home Theater
My Home Theater

#49564 - 06/18/01 02:37 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
Jerry577 Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 1
Loc: Phoenix, AZ, USA
Just say NO to DSP modes.

#49565 - 06/18/01 02:41 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
scoly Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 1
Loc: Lubbock, Texas
Never use them so why clutter things up.
Am, however, very interested in DPL2.

#49566 - 06/18/01 03:34 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
Mike Hood Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 1
Loc: San Jose, CA
Count me as a NAY, very seldom use it now and on this caliber of equipment, I don't feel it is appropriate. Mike Hood

#49567 - 06/18/01 03:45 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
JeffLH Offline

Registered: 05/23/01
Posts: 32
Loc: USA
I vote yes for DSPs. I sometimes use the Jazz Club effect on my Yamaha RX-V1070.

It would be neat if you could downmix the effect for two channels, and then send it to the record-out jacks. I'd like to make recordings using the DSP effects for my truck, or for headphones.


-- Jeff

#49568 - 06/18/01 04:25 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
Graham Perks Offline
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Registered: 04/17/01
Posts: 8
Loc: Austin, TX, USA
The only fancy DSP mode I use (and occasionally at that) is Denon's 5-channel stereo, which is generally excellent.

A mode where the front and rears both played normal stereo would be a good alternative.

So overall, nay!

#49569 - 06/18/01 04:28 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
ssideratos Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 2
Loc: Brooklyn, NY USA
Even though I rarely use the artificial DSP modes much and seem to be in the minority in my opinion, if they don't otherwise detract for the overall product quality or add unecessary cost -- Why Not, it might come in handly when playing a PS-2 or something?

I vote Yea.

Two items however that are NOT negotiable are:
1) Multi-channel stereo modes 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1.

2) Phantom modes to simulate additional speakers over 5.1.

I would image many users purchasing this pre-amp for use with an older 5 channel amp and 5.1 speaker system. The phantom modes would allow some benefit from EX encoded until they budgedted for a new amp (model 770?) and/or additional speakers.


#49570 - 06/18/01 04:36 PM Re: The Great DSP Debate
JLH Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 1
Loc: Colorado Springs CO USA
I vote for adding some new well thought out dsp modes. Forget the overly reverbant crap most receivers use. DPL2 is a must however. I think most people dislike dsp because of poor and gimicky sound. DSP isn't bad in and of itself.

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