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#48154 - 03/01/02 04:33 PM 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
ltkhuc Offline
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i am looking at two amps: aragon 8008x5 and the outlaw 755. could you possibly tell me what the differences are(the good and the bad) between the two? thank you much

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#48155 - 03/01/02 04:59 PM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
gonk Offline
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What sort of speakers are you driving? Will it be a 4 ohm load? If so, the Aragon certainly will give more power (of course, that also assumes that you need 300W or more per channel). But is the 8008 a 5-channel amp? The info I can find on it indicates that it's a 2-channel amp (with an MSRP of almost $3000 and a "real" price of almost double the 755's price). it's probably a better amp for difficult-to-drive speakers (electrostatics, what-not), but unless I'm getting bad info it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison, either.

OK, I am seeing some stuff in my Google search of an 8008x3, so apparently I was getting bad info and just can't find anything on the 8008x5. (Solved that -- try a better search input and get stuff like this: AudioReview , Audioholics .) I'd still suspect that the Aragon would probably be a better speaker for difficult loads -- but it will certainly cost more.

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#48156 - 03/01/02 05:05 PM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
ltkhuc Offline
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i have already ordered a pair of bohlender graebener (4 ohms). i have been thinking of def tech for my surround and center channels so it will be a 4/8 ohm combination. and yes the aragon is a 5 channel amp. there's one at ubid right now so if i can get it for cheap i might buy it. nope i will not pay $3000 for it. id rather get the 755. id sent an email to ask Scott about the different loads on the 750 and he said it would be okay. so i suppose the 755 will be fine with the combination mentioned above.
thx for your speedy response as always. lk
p.s.: the url for the aragon is:
http://www.klipsch.com/mondial/index2.asp?path=/products/mondialdetail.asp?fr ame=y&id=324&line=&1
edit: the price on the aragon at ubid is climbing yuk...

[This message has been edited by ltkhuc (edited March 01, 2002).]

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#48157 - 03/01/02 05:19 PM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
gonk Offline
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I saw the ubid auction -- if you can get that amp for anywhere under $2k (and probably even slightly over $2k), I'd say it would be a smart move, especially with the BH's.

As you say, though, if you lose the 755 would probably still be a reasonable solution (and if not, you've got 30 days to find that out...).

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#48158 - 03/02/02 09:20 PM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
Townhouse Offline
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Registered: 07/04/01
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Go for the Outlaw 755. I have both the large and the small BG Radia systems and my 750 sounds great on either. Even 250 wpc into the Radias is plenty, especially for the smaller X series, which is VERY efficient.

Don't waste your money on the Aragon. If you are patient, you can find an Acurus 200x5 (same manufacturer) on uBid for under $1k. Or you can buy mine in mint condition. (Or you can buy my mint 750 when I upgrade.)

Don't mix brands on your center & surrounds. The Radia ribbons are extremely accurate and you will be disappointed with anything else. (Don't take my word for it -- try it! Other speakers will sound either too muffled or too bright.) If you can't afford the larger Radia 220/420, then get a couple of Radia X3 and an X1. You can also find these on uBid in the $200 range if you are patient.

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#48159 - 03/03/02 01:48 AM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
ltkhuc Offline
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Registered: 12/28/01
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yay townhouse,
that's the answer i've been looking for [edit: about the bg speakers]. i will go with the 755 instead because the price on the aragon at ubid was too much for my blood. i actually have ordered a pair of 420 already. will wait on the 220 then because of what you said what are the models of your bgs anyway?
you've mentioned that you have an acurus? how much you think you will sell it for? please drop me a line at ltkhuc@csbsju.edu

[This message has been edited by ltkhuc (edited March 03, 2002).]

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#48160 - 05/13/02 07:30 PM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
Everett Offline
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Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 87
Loc: Brevard, N.C.
Im positive the Aragon will, as ONLY the very best amps will do, put double the power as the imped. is halved, so you can expect a 200 watt Aragon (into 8ohms) to put out 400 watts into 4! Just like other super high end amps will do (Sunfire, Krell, Blue Circle and others) albeit, at a VERY high price..

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#48161 - 05/13/02 08:03 PM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
steves Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
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Loc: Oregon
Quote:
Im positive the Aragon will, as ONLY the very best amps will do, put double the power as the imped. is halved, so you can expect a 200 watt Aragon (into 8ohms) to put out 400 watts into 4! Just like other super high end amps will do (Sunfire, Krell, Blue Circle and others) albeit, at a VERY high price..

Uh, Everett, you might want to take a look at the spec's for the Aragon 2005 and 2007 (5 channel and 7 channel) amplifiers as shown on their web site. They are listed at 200 watts into 8 ohms and 300 watts into 4 ohms. What you say may be true for many 2 channel amps, but not often for a 5 or 7 channel version. By the way, for those that think it's important,they weigh 46 lbs. for the 5 channel and 49 lbs. for the 7 channel version.

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#48162 - 05/14/02 08:19 AM Re: 400 WPC or 300 WPC into 4 ohms
Everett Offline
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Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 87
Loc: Brevard, N.C.
Steve: The model Im referring to is, I believe the 8008 or similar. I heard this amp on several occassion i a shop north of San Fran. Its the one with the odd shape heat sinks and is actually a 3 channel version(similar to a Carver at the time) and was to be added to there other 2 channel amp to give 5 channels. This amp tandom was reviewed in Home heater mag a number of years ago and got , as I recall, a 98 rating. Its quite a awesome amp and many cuts above there sibling Accrus. The Sunfire, WILL perform at that doubling of power spoke of and it is a 5 channel. Another super monster amp I heard with even more current is the Cinnovia/Im sure I have misspelled this but you might be familar. Im leaning myself to the big ATI brutes for the money. The OUtlaw 750/755, I suspect, are great amps due to there maker alone. But, still, Im certain, a cut below those bigger power ATI. If you compare similar models, you can see the difference. The 750/1.5ktransformer vs ATI 1505 /2k and 755 /2k(total, if that) vs. ATI 2505 at 3k. The big difference is on price but you can sometimes find these at One Call.com for MUCH less than retail! Good listening!

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