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#46442 - 05/02/03 07:14 PM 6 channel direct
dian Offline
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Just hooked up my DVD analog inputs to the 950's 5.1 input jacks. I only get sound from the front 2 speakers. Nothing but slight hiss from the C, RS, LS, and SW!
I rechecked all the connections and they are correct. I'm using a Toshiba SD4800. Anyone have any suggestions.

I get all speakers when using the digital connection for the DVD, and CD players.

Thanks,



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#46443 - 05/02/03 07:56 PM Re: 6 channel direct
DollarBill Offline
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duplicate, sorry


[This message has been edited by DollarBill (edited May 02, 2003).]

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#46444 - 05/02/03 08:04 PM Re: 6 channel direct
DollarBill Offline
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Originally posted by dian:
Just hooked up my DVD analog inputs to the 950's 5.1 input jacks. I only get sound from the front 2 speakers. Nothing but slight hiss from the C, RS, LS, and SW!
I rechecked all the connections and they are correct. I'm using a Toshiba SD4800. Anyone have any suggestions.

I get all speakers when using the digital connection for the DVD, and CD players.

Thanks,



I'm not familiar with your player, but make sure that the 5.1 output of the player is set for multichannel rather than downmixed to stereo as if you were sending it through your TV.

On the 950, make sure you've played a multichannel format before you switch to the 6 channel direct. If memory serves correctly (and it may not considering the day), if you switch from a stereo format to 6 ch direct, you only get the front main channels.

Let us know.

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#46445 - 05/02/03 09:56 PM Re: 6 channel direct
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When you say mutichannel format, I'm assuming you mean, in this case, a DVD audio DVD? If so, yes, I was playing the Fourplay DVD Audio and I did switch the player's setup to multichannel. I hope it's not the 950. I'm really growing to like the 950/770. They sound wonderful with my Axioms up front.

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#46446 - 05/02/03 10:21 PM Re: 6 channel direct
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He means to switch the 950 to any input that is in a surround mode, as compared to one in stereo mode, before switching to the 6-channel analog input.

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#46447 - 05/02/03 10:25 PM Re: 6 channel direct
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"When you say mutichannel format"

Just to make sure. No not the fact that yes you are playing a multichannel format ie: a DVD-A etc. But - beside having the DVD player set up for it in its menu. The Outlaw 950 has to have been in a multichannel mode such as DD, PLII before you hit the 6-channel direct button. If the 950 is in stereo mode (last setting you used) when you hit the 6-c button, you won't get your multi-channel analog.

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#46448 - 05/02/03 10:58 PM Re: 6 channel direct
dian Offline
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Thanks folks! It works. As mentioned earlier, the mode has to be in multichannel before switching to the 6 ch direct.

Thanks again

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#46449 - 05/02/03 11:24 PM Re: 6 channel direct
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Quote:
Originally posted by dian:
Thanks folks! It works. As mentioned earlier, the mode has to be in multichannel before switching to the 6 ch direct.

Thanks again



dian, ya forgot ta say how it SOUNDS!
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#46450 - 05/03/03 06:49 AM Re: 6 channel direct
DollarBill Offline
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Someday I'll learn to explain myself a little more accurately so that you guys (Gonk & SLL)don't have to clean up after me.

A little off-topic: Bosso, my Denon 2900 came in yesterday. I'll set it up and post back on its audio performance and bass management setup tomorrow in the Outlaw to Outlaw saloon.

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#46451 - 05/03/03 08:22 AM Re: 6 channel direct
dian Offline
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How it sounds? It sounds quite good. The biggest difference is in the surround department. I think I hear more information through those speakers than when in PLII-M. I also hear more hiss, albeit, only when up close to the center and surrounds.

After listening this way for sometime last night, I've reverted back to only a digital coax and stereo analog connection, as I don't think the difference is worth all that spaghetti back there.

I really like the way the digital stereo sounds actually. I A/D'd the analaog and digital stereo and found it very difficult to tell which was which after awhile, as I did not know after awhile, which setting I was on. When I used the Denon 3803, I could tell the difference, the analog was cleaner. The 950 is clean both ways.

What I am surprised at is that the 770 stays only warm, whereas my 950 is more than warm and dare I say hot. The shelf above it feels hot to touch. I'm concerned about this. Is this normal? I've read other threads where folks say they only get warm. Why does a preamp get so hot? Isn't it mainly maid up of chip boards, whereas the amp is the baby that should smoke?

Later folks, I have to get off my duff now and build my Shiva sonotube sub. I'm afraid of my new router!

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#46452 - 05/03/03 08:24 AM Re: 6 channel direct
dian Offline
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Sorry for the typos, grrrrrrrrrrr. I swear, I did go to high school.

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#46453 - 05/03/03 06:39 PM Re: 6 channel direct
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The Outlaw 950 has to have been in a multichannel mode such as DD, PLII before you hit the 6-channel direct button. If the 950 is in stereo mode (last setting you used) when you hit the 6-c button, you won't get your multi-channel analog.

This has been brought up before, but I wonder if it is something that is only applicable to those who use a DVD/DVD-A player as their DVD, 2 channel and multichannel music source. I have a DVD (no DVD-A) mostly used for movies and a CD/SACD player for MC music. I can go from a selected 2 channel music source from either the DVD or the CD/SACD player and play multichannel music with no problems- I just select 6 channel bypass and it works as advertised. Maybe I missed something?

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#46454 - 05/04/03 02:59 AM Re: 6 channel direct
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Steves- Are you sure? It's obviously supposed to work the way that yours does, but for most of us, we have to switch to a multichannel digital mode before switching to 6 ch bypass. How old is your unit? Have you done the DTS-ES LFE Eprom swap?
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#46455 - 05/04/03 11:43 AM Re: 6 channel direct
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Hi Kevin-- I just checked it again- turned on the system- selected my wifes' tape player as a 2-channel source. I then went to DIRECT 6-CHANNEL BYPASS and played a MC SACD which worked normally. My 950 is from the first batch and is a "no-dot" version. Yes, I have done the eprom swap. Best wishes..

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#46456 - 05/05/03 02:19 AM Re: 6 channel direct
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It would seem easy enough, but I haven't yet checked if with the new Eprom, this is fixed yet or not!
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#46457 - 05/05/03 05:59 PM Re: 6 channel direct
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"How old is your unit? Have you done the DTS-ES LFE Eprom swap?"

I give up. DTS-ES, I can figure out, Eprom, no. Some sort of programmable ROM? I have a 950, circa Labor Day 2002, is there an update I've missed?

Consistently getting my950 to play SACD in 5.1 has been a headache. Showing off my "superior system" to visitors and spending 5-10 minutes every time getting it to play the surround as it did the last time, gets old after a while.

I KNOW the Roger Waters "Perfect Sense" has HAL speaking from various channels, but some of my friends are unconvinced. I will try the advice mentioned in this thread, thanks.

The Sony 999 SACD player is teriffic on cd's and SACD.

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#46458 - 05/05/03 07:26 PM Re: 6 channel direct
Smart Little Lena Offline
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Consistently getting my 950 to play SACD in 5.1 has been a headache. Showing off my "superior system" to visitors and spending 5-10 minutes every time getting it to play the surround as it did the last time, gets old after a while.

It should be max 3 remote clicks. I hit my [CD] button, (where I have DVD player routed as source via analog inputs, when I set up the button.) I have the same DVD player routed as Optical input on the [DVD] source button for HT play.

Hit CD
Hit any multi-channel SS mode button.
Hit 6-channel Direct.

If you've got your [CD] source button set up as input digital. Then I'd set up [Aux] or some other source button to go player/ analog input for your SACD play.

And thats my slow version since I have not bothered to set up macros on my remotes universal or 950.

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#46459 - 05/07/03 11:07 AM Re: 6 channel direct
bossobass Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by steves:
Hi Kevin-- I just checked it again- turned on the system- selected my wifes' tape player as a 2-channel source. I then went to DIRECT 6-CHANNEL BYPASS and played a MC SACD which worked normally. My 950 is from the first batch and is a "no-dot" version. Yes, I have done the eprom swap. Best wishes..


same here. just hit 6 channel bypass (going from a CD in 2 channel bypass)...no sweat.

since i virtually never play CDs, i haven't paid much attention to the situation, so i tried it last night...same as steves... original batch, no dot, hiss @ 18", no LFE in DTS-ES (which works as i want it in my setup, so i'm not doing the fix).

please note that steves may have something in the dvd-a comment. kevin, maybe you can verify that, as you have a uni player.

DB...where's the beef??? been anxiously awaiting your 2900 thoughts!!

i'm a DTS fan (DTS-ES, DTS, DTS-CD), and avid SACD multi-channel fan. for these, my system sounds exceedingly good. it would take $10K in upgrades (i've auditioned many speakers, players and pre-pros) to realize a next-level improvement in sound quality, so i'm stayin' put. i've passed on the various version exchanges and fix cause i ain't gonna fix what ain't broke.
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