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#42334 - 10/04/02 05:56 PM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
patman Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 09/26/02
Posts: 23
SCJim, could you please report what the 950 sounds like when you hook up one speaker out of phase (reverse the polarity), just to rule out the bad imaging of the 950 due to one of the outputs having its polarity inadvertently reversed on the inside.

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#42335 - 10/04/02 09:19 PM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
Will Offline
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Registered: 05/28/02
Posts: 605
Loc: LA's The Place
Yeah!!!!! Sooner or later, somebody in the Bay Area had to come along!

Quote:

Kevin C writes
Jim- I'm also in Santa Clara. (Near Lawrence and El Camino.)

If it's OK, I'd like to stop by for a listen. (I've never seen the Anthem.)

Thanks Kevin. I'm quite pleased you volunteered to to visit Jim and see his 950 system (with as an added bonus it looks like, the Anthem). You being on site can probably help determine if there's a problem, or not. The problem may turn out to be something we never thought of, like Jim's CD player. Keep us informed!

Will

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#42336 - 10/04/02 10:06 PM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
nonzero Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 39
Loc: Honolulu, HI
Jim,

Perhaps you should give us the name of the dealer so we could verify when and how you did the shootout. Who knows, the dealer might reward you - we might switch to ANTHEM too.

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#42337 - 10/04/02 10:43 PM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
santaclarajim Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 59
Loc: Santa Clara, California
Quote:
Originally posted by Will:
Yeah!!!!! Sooner or later, somebody in the Bay Area had to come along!

Quote:

Kevin C writes
Jim- I'm also in Santa Clara. (Near Lawrence and El Camino.)

If it's OK, I'd like to stop by for a listen. (I've never seen the Anthem.)

Thanks Kevin. I'm quite pleased you volunteered to to visit Jim and see his 950 system (with as an added bonus it looks like, the Anthem). You being on site can probably help determine if there's a problem, or not. The problem may turn out to be something we never thought of, like Jim's CD player. Keep us informed!

Will


Will,

I wish it were the CD player. Remember, the sound was not great using the CD player supplied by the dealer. Also, the CD player that sounded poor through the 950, sounded good through the Anthem.

Regards,
Santa Clara Jim

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#42338 - 10/04/02 11:27 PM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
merc Offline
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Registered: 04/20/01
Posts: 369
Loc: Deep in the Woodlands of Texas
JIM, regardless the outcome.
I hope you buy the units that are right for you!!!

Have a great weekend!
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#42339 - 10/05/02 12:42 AM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
Kevin C Brown Offline
Desperado

Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 1054
Loc: Santa Clara, CA
BoB- It's a discrete tone test compact disc. For the 5.1 analog inputs, it obviously can only "look" at the 2 channels hooked up via the analog outputs of the CD/DVD player.

(In other words, I have *8* cables from my DVD player to the 950: 5.1 + 2 channels stereo.)

I never thought it worthwhile to say for example, to hook up the L + R mains from the DVD player to the surround or rear channels of the 950.

Patman, if I can remember, I'll bring my Avia disc to Jim's. Avia has good phase tests.

I have a mental checklist going:

1) mains + sub phase
2) quick check of all config items
2a) crossover settings, speaker cals, etc.
3) speaker placement
4) L + R main's phase
5) hiss

Anything else?

Oh yeah, sound quality!
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#42340 - 10/05/02 12:53 AM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
soundhound Offline
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Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
By the way folks. Awhile back I created a lab test tone CD with tones from 10hZ to 20,000hz. I also did a disc with pink noise tests (stereo) If any of 'yall would like to get it-and-rip-it-and-pass-it-along to someone else, I would be more than happy to send it.

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#42341 - 10/05/02 01:34 AM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
santaclarajim Offline
Gunslinger

Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 59
Loc: Santa Clara, California
Quote:
Originally posted by soundhound:
By the way folks. Awhile back I created a lab test tone CD with tones from 10hZ to 20,000hz. I also did a disc with pink noise tests (stereo) If any of 'yall would like to get it-and-rip-it-and-pass-it-along to someone else, I would be more than happy to send it.



Soundhound,
If you would be so kind, please send it my way.

Thank you,
santaclarajim(guess_which_part_to_remove)@yahoo.com

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#42342 - 10/05/02 03:39 AM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
Kevin C Brown Offline
Desperado

Registered: 12/11/01
Posts: 1054
Loc: Santa Clara, CA
SH: Here's what I'm after:

The Autosound 2000 CD I have goes every Hz from 10 to 98. Great resolution, but you can successfully take care of room nodes up to around 300 Hz.

The Stryke CD I have goes roughly 1/6 octaves from 10 Hz to 160 Hz, then 1/3 from 160 to whatever. (I only care about from 10 to 320 Hz.) I don't think that is fine enough resolution.

Mine will (someday!) be 1/20 octave spacing from 21 Hz to 320 Hz: (My sub is -6 dB at 20 Hz.)

21 42 84 168
22 44 88 176
23 46 92 184
...
39 78 156 312
40 80 160 320

80 tracks on the CD.

What's your increment?


[This message has been edited by Kevin C Brown (edited October 05, 2002).]
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#42343 - 10/05/02 06:15 AM Re: Shootour Results: Outlaw 950 vs. Anthem AVM20
soundhound Offline
Desperado

Registered: 04/10/02
Posts: 1857
Loc: Gusev Crater, Mars
Kevin:

The increments are 1hZ from 10 to 40, 5hZ from 45 to 95, 100hZ from 100 to 900, 1kHz from 1000 to 20kHz. It has left, right, in polarity, and out of polarity pink noise also.

The disc was made more as an all-purpose tool than for finding room nodes, but it is good for finding low frequency extension. There are plenty of programs I've found out there for generating audio and video test signals, and some do good sweeps etc.

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