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#36278 - 01/31/02 06:41 PM Time domain correction in 950
charlie Offline
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Just curious what the time delay adjustments are and what modes they're available for in the new 950.

Those of us who can't place speakers optimally find this kind of thing very useful.....

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#36279 - 01/31/02 07:07 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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The manual should answer a lot of those questions when it appears, but I would expect adjustments equal to or more extensive than the 1050 has, and I found the 1050's adjustments pretty good.

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#36280 - 01/31/02 08:23 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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Personally I'd like to at least see a discrete delay for each channel adjustable in 1ms increments.

Phase adjustment for LFE would be nice too.

The 'last mile' - the point where the signal is converted from electrons to pressure is the weakest link and often most overlooked.

I would guess that all distortions and noise combined in the travels from media to speaker input pale compared to those from speaker input to eardrums.

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#36281 - 02/01/02 11:09 AM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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As for modes, I believe time delay is a pro-logic only feature. In DD or DTS you shouldn't need a time delay because the channels are discrete. I could be wrong but I think that's how it works.

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#36282 - 02/01/02 12:37 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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Not true. You need delay if your speaker runs are of varying lengths or your speakers are not equidistant from the listening position. You need to make sure that the sound from all the speakers reaches you at the same time. If one of your speakers is closer to you than the others or has a 10 ft shorter cable run, you need to delay that speaker, regardless of format.

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#36283 - 02/01/02 02:14 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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Not sure what cable run length has to do with it, but yep - I want to compensate for non-optimal speaker placement.

The mode-centic adjustments probably would be summed with this global set of delays.

A quick bit of computation shows that electricity will travel about 1 million feet in a millisecond, so unless we're going have very fine grained adjustment (or REALLY long wires) I doubt you will be able to compensate for wire length.


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#36284 - 02/01/02 02:22 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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If you're compensating for wire length, then I guess you also need a HPS (head-position-sensor) to automatically correct for a moving listener... Hey, maybe I'll add that to my features list...
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#36285 - 02/01/02 02:23 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
brianca Offline
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Granted cable length needing delay is one of those fine (questionable) HT teaks. I'll have to look back at some of the articles I have from when I was building my theater. There was a 1ms delay for every x feet of cable. Some of my speakers are ~30ft longer runs than others which is why I was looking into it.

But certainly, as you mentioned, non-optimal placement of speakers is the main reason to need delay.


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#36286 - 02/01/02 03:50 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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You're right, you do need to adjust for cable length if your cables are long enough.

Since electricity passes through a cable at essentially (close enough for our purposes) light speed - 186,000 miles/second - and since a millisecond - the proposed adjustment resolution - is 1/1000th of a second, you would need to adjust to compensate for each 186 miles or 982,080 ft of cable. This of course is important when you buy your cable in 1,000,000 ft lengths.

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#36287 - 02/01/02 06:05 PM Re: Time domain correction in 950
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Sorry. I guess I was wrong. I just though I remembered someone suggesting that you should make your cable runs the same length in one of the home theater construction articles I read a few years ago.


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