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#35482 - 12/07/06 06:37 PM No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
evilkat Offline
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Registered: 12/07/06
Posts: 6
Equipment
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Sub: Outlaw LMF-1 (brand new)
Rec: Yamaha RX-v2700 (brand new)
Audio Src: Computer (only src I have, apart from radio).
Sub interconnect cable from impact acoustics (brand new)


Problem
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When I first got the receiver and sub, I could hear LFE from the sub. After sometime though, I realized that there was no LFE comming from the sub

I tried re-setting the receiver's speaker settings, but I still cannot get any output to the sub.

Config:
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All Speakers = small
Crossover = bypassed, set to 80Hz on receiver
Sub volume setting > half-way mark
Sub is powered on
Cable is connected on the receiver to the Sub pre-outs and into the Sub input on the sub.

Test-tone for sub NOT audible from sub (other channels are okay) when I run the receiver's calibration sequence. Can hear sub output from the fronts though, if I set bass-out to Fronts.

On the setup screen of the receiver, it shows no settings for the sub's phase or distance from the setup mic. It's like the sub doesn't exist!

Other info
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I went ahead and used a stero-mini jack -> RCA converter and connected my computer speaker sub to the receiver and I got sound from it.

That eliminates both the receiver and the cable as a potential source of problems.

Then I tried using the computer outs directly to the Outlaw sub and that gave me nothing.


LED behavior on Sub
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The little LED on the sub lights up to show that it's receiving an audio signal, but I don't hear ANYTHING from it. Tried 'rebooting' the sub by turning it on and off a few times to no avail either.

When I turn on the sub with the auto setting, the light is red. When I run the test tones from the receiver the light turns green but no sound comes. Even after the signal fades, light is still green.

I re-ran the test, but this time with the switch on the 'on' position. Still no sound, light is green.

(no audio signal was sent in the following tests).

If I go from Off to Auto, LED = red.
If I go from Off->Auto->On, LED = green.
If I go from Off->Auto->On->Auto LED = green.

Not sure if the color is supposed to be retained like that.

I can't believe this, but I think I have a defective sub which was working when I bought it and dead now. Something in the sub's amp circuitry perhaps? Needless to say I am extremely disappointed, because I have heard so many good things about Outlaw, and cannot believe this situation. Surely there's some setting I'm missing here.

Someone please help me! This sub is not even 3 weeks old!! frown frown

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#35483 - 12/07/06 06:59 PM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
gonk Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
The LED behavior makes sense - when you went from "on" to "auto," the sub had already been commanded on and the auto mode would wait some time (10 to 15 minutes, I think) without any incoming signal before shutting down. I can't think of anything that you're missing. If nothing occurs to me, you, or anybody else who drops by, I'd recommend giving Outlaw a call in the morning and letting them take a shot at it. If it's a problem with the hardware, they'll make it right.
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#35484 - 12/08/06 05:32 AM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
loopy Offline
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Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 206
Loc: Central Ma.
Hi evilkat,I once had a yammy 2500,I am assuming yours has the GUI screen for the settings,not to offend but on the settings do you have it on fronts plus sub?or sub on {I can't remember exactlly what it says} good luck
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#35485 - 12/08/06 05:34 AM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
evilkat Offline
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Registered: 12/07/06
Posts: 6
Thanks Gonk...I was just so sad that it wasn't working I figured I'd hear a response from you guys first!! But I opened a ticket as well to hear from the pros.


No offense taken at all Loopy, I'm quite a noob when it comes to A/V. On my Yammy, I've got the following:

Base Out = SWFR only
Speakers = small (fronts,surrounds and center)


frown


Help!

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#35486 - 12/08/06 05:55 AM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
gonk Offline
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Loc: Memphis, TN USA
Always glad to at least commisserate, even if I can't think of any useful suggestions...
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#35487 - 12/08/06 11:15 AM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
loopy Offline
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Registered: 12/26/05
Posts: 206
Loc: Central Ma.
It sounds like you covered all the basses [dumb pun ha ha] wish I could be of more help again good luck the support here is excellent
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#35488 - 12/08/06 01:12 PM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
Jason J Offline
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Registered: 09/02/02
Posts: 615
Loc: Northern Garden State
How do you have your computer connected to the Yamaha? Is it analog or digital? What listening mode are you using on the Yamaha? What kind of material are you listening to?

I know these are real basic questions but it would help me (us) to understand your set up. Those Yamaha receivers are pretty technical and have a lot of "unusual" options when it comes to setting them up. The more information we know, the easier it is for us to help.

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#35489 - 12/11/06 06:10 AM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
evilkat Offline
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Registered: 12/07/06
Posts: 6
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How do you have your computer connected to the Yamaha? Is it analog or digital?
Digital S/PDIF over coax.

Quote:

What listening mode are you using on the Yamaha?
I tried all kinds, from two channel stereo to 5.1 surround and everything in between. It's NOT set to headphone or night-time listening modes.
Quote:

What kind of material are you listening to?
I listened to music and some movies, all of which were base heavy.


If there are any other questions, please feel free to ask. I've opened up a helpdesk ticket, and so far they've had me simply connect the wires from the mains into the sub's highlevel input to see if I got any sound from the sub. Unfortunately, I did not hear ANYTHING out of it frown

Man I am NOT looking forward to shipping this thing frown

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#35490 - 12/11/06 07:06 AM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
Jason J Offline
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Registered: 09/02/02
Posts: 615
Loc: Northern Garden State
Thanks for answering the questions. It really sounds like you've tested it as far as you can. Sorry to hear that the only solution might be to ship it back.

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#35491 - 12/11/06 07:40 PM Re: No LFE from my brand new LMF-1
evilkat Offline
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Registered: 12/07/06
Posts: 6
Thanks for your help guys...I was trying to see if there was something I was missing or hadn't thought of. I still haven't heard back from the tech crew though. I'll try calling them up tomorrow.

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