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tekdredger, you know there are ladies in the saloon.

For the love of Pete, can't someone make a joke anymore without being taken to task for it? There used to be a time when folks laughed a little...

Even women-folk could find that comment ammusing.




[This message has been edited by RolandofGilead (edited February 18, 2004).]

RolandofGilead:
Like it or not, things do change over time. Also it is geographical as well. I’ve lived in places where you would get different responses when saying jokes like the above. Which way does this saloon lean to? I won’t know for sure but it wouldn’t hurt to be a gentleman. Never know, you may just catch attention from a nice lady gunslinger…

Well guys, I know that most of my female acquaintances can hold their own when it comes to things like this. Pardon the pun.

I had an interesting experience recently. I've been listening to music on my 950/lfm based 5.1 system upstairs for several months now. The sound, especially with a well-mixed/engineered sacd like "Rainbow Bridge" is outstanding. Recently I played that hybrid sacd on my living room stereo...not a shabby setup either. Lo and behold: the stereo sounded gutless and thin in comparison! What happened IMHO is that I've gotten used to the sound of the lfm sub in my ht. It's become integrated into the sound I expect to hear. I'm now used to steak; hamburger won't do anymore!

Anyone else have a similar experience?

Jay

JMS,

It would not really surprise me - one way or the other.

With capable full-range speakers running in plain old stereo mode, you may or may not notice the presence, or absence, of a sub (or subs) depending on source material and other factors like room acoustics etc.

In my main system I'm hard-pressed to notice a difference between subs out and subs in, in stereo (with front mains set to large / small 40Hz respectively.) About the only way that I can tell the difference if I were to walk into the room not knowing the current settings, is to lay a hand on the subs to "feel" if they active.

Now 5.1 movies are a whole different ballgame - because of the LFE signal. (Not the redirected bass since I run everything large across the front - except for the opening credits in the Hulk, which is the only soundtrack that I've ever played at my "normal" levels that caused my centre array audible distress. Running them small 40 Hz for that movie cured the problem.) Removing the LFE signal is more than noticeable - it's lunch bag letdown in the worst way.

So to return to your post, it seems that your sub is making a true contribution in stereo mode - either because your mains are either not capable of, or are not set up to, reproduce the usual low bass in stereo recordings. No surprise that you'd notice its absence.

(ps. So why not add another LFM-1 to the living room stereo system? Move your existing one to see how it sounds. Might be a worthwhile upgrade!)

Regards.

Jeff Mackwood

Jeff,

Are you kidding? Do you know what it took to convince my wife we needed one lfm??? LOL!

Jay

You guys are killing me! BTW- I laughed after seeing "lunch bag letdown" in print.Haven't heard that in 20 years.
Anyway- try having a 7.2 M&K and LFE(2)plus the 950/770 sitting in boxes since FEB. and not coming out till July!
Can we talk REAL pain here?

From my perspective; I feel that it is pretty rare that any system will not benefit from a good dedicated sub. I love my Tempest sub in my system. My brother who listens to basically classical felt he probably won't benefit from a sub in his system. Which has Paradigm Ref. 80 speakers. Wrong! He said he couldn't believe how the sound filled in so much fuller with a sub. Of course the benefit is only realized with a good sub. I've heard many boomy boxes that make me cringe.
Morale of the story: A good sub will give you great benefits.